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Old 08-08-2017, 10:26 PM
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Trumps "Don't Upstage Me" Authority.. Do I see a line in the sand?
Gee Little Kim' is sure to say some **** now, for sure.......




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N.Korea says considering strike on Guam after Trump warns of 'fire and fury'

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SEOUL/BEDMINSTER, N.J., Aug 9 (Reuters) - North Korea said on Wednesday it is considering plans for a missile strike on the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury."

The sharp increase in tensions rattled global financial markets and prompted warnings from U.S. officials and analysts not to engage in rhetorical slanging matches with North Korea.

Pyongyang said it was "carefully examining" a plan to strike Guam, home to a U.S. military base that includes a submarine squadron, an airbase and a Coast Guard group.

A Korean People's Army spokesman said in a statement carried by state-run KCNA news agency the plan would be put into practice at any moment once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also accused the United States of devising a "preventive war" and said any plans to execute this would be met with an "all-out war wiping out all the strongholds of enemies, including the U.S. mainland."

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if needed to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions. The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday.

Trump issued his strongest warning yet for North Korea in comments to reporters in New Jersey on Tuesday.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump said.

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What , misguided... have these two have in store for all mankind...

Some in Trump's admin will slow him down, I hope. As Little Kim, well who says squat to the dwarf.... ....
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I'm betting the dwarf will decide to attack. Any threat of attack against any country by the North Koreans should be met with annihilation of the source.
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North Korea should have been handled back then, now I am afraid that is what it will come to. Might be a good thing our president is of questionable mental stability, might be exactly what we need to handle the fat boy.
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North Korea should have been handled back then, now I am afraid that is what it will come to. Might be a good thing our president is of questionable mental stability, might be exactly what we need to handle the fat boy.
Good thing Obama is gone. Not sure he would have done anything. Oh wait he did nothing didn't he?

Obama was a puzzy and fat boy pushed him around.

Trump will kill the little pig and roast him for his people.

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Not to worry. President Trump will just grab himself a Magic Marker from the box the past President left behind and draw a line between Guam and NK. Or he could just load up a few pallets of unmarked bills and fly them in. That's worked so well in the past.

Or maybe 60 or so missiles up Kim Jong Fattie's ass.

At last we have a President with balls. I can see how Kimmyboy is a tad worried.
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I'm betting the dwarf will decide to attack.
That's a scary bet.

What odds are you giving? Is that based upon even odds? How about 5:1 odds that N Korea will be the first to decide to attack? That would still leave a 20% likelihood that Trump, for the first time ever by a US president threatened the first attack use of nuclear weapons with his "fire and fury" statement to the press, might start the war.

The primary problem with the bet is that regardless of which side strikes first it results in a nuclear war. There's only one bet that's of importance and that bet is...

What's the odds of avoiding a war, nuclear or otherwise, with North Korea.

Downtown Seoul, the capital of South Korea, with a population of over 9 million people, is within range of N Korea's 170mm artillery that's in hardened emplacements along the border. In a conventional war it's estimated that N Korea could launch an artillery and 120mm rocket attack on Seoul that estimates during the Clinton administration established could result in over one million South Korean deaths. Virtually all of the US troops in S Korea, about 28,000 are threated by conventional weapon alone.

When it comes to a nuclear war the potential death toll soars. It's highly unlikely that the US could take out N Korea's nuclear arsenal and even a few nuclear tipped ICBM's represent a threat to tens of millions of people in SE Asia. In retaliation for a US nuclear attack the North Koreans could decide to attack Tokyo with a population of over 38 million Japanese. Based upon the most recent N Korean missile tests analysts state that it's mathematically possible for N Korea to even attack Los Angeles. One nuclear warhead going off in Los Angeles is beyond horrifying for most Americans (but apparently not for President Trump).

War is not an acceptable option but that's the only option that Trump's putting on the table.

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Any threat of attack against any country by the North Koreans should be met with annihilation of the source.
Let's review this as international policy.

Does it also apply to the US threats being made by President Trump of a nuclear attack on N Korea? Should the United States be annihilated because Trump is an idiot that threatens to attack a foreign country with nuclear weapons?

I have argued in the past that any actual nuclear attack by any nation should initiate an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike by the five authorized nuclear weapons nations under the NPT. That would include any nuclear attack by any of the five authorized nuclear weapons nations under the NPT including the United States if we were the first to use a nuclear weapon.

While Republicans love to disparage the United Nations the UN Security Council just passed a resolution imposing severe economic sanctions on North Korea. Of course our "Idiot-in-Chief" (that's always willing to take credit for the accomplishments of others) jumped all over that claiming responsibility for the sanction, which in turn N Korea condemned the United States, when the truth is our vote was unimportant. The important votes came from Russia and China. Any intelligent president would have cited Russia and China as being the key behind the Security Council resolution, not the United States, and we would be putting pressure on China to threaten North Korea with a nuclear retaliatory response if North Korea was to ever use a nuclear weapon.

The US shouldn't be threatening North Korea with nuclear retaliation. The Chinese should be threatening N Korea with retaliation if it ever uses a nuclear weapon. The US should save it's threats of nuclear retaliation for other rouge nuclear weapon nations like Israel. It's one thing to be threatened by your "enemy" and a completely different situation when your ally draws a line in the sand.

But unfortunately we lack a president with any diplomatic skills or knowledge about how to deal with a crisis of this magnitude. Trump is doing exactly the opposite of what needs to be done to prevent a war, conventional or nuclear, that would have devastating consequences for both sides if it ever happens.

We've always been concerned about a "Nut with Nukes" in N Korea but now we have our own "Nut with Nukes" in the United States and it looks like one of the two nutcases is going to start a war that will be the worst war in the history of the world.
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I always felt that the NK's would somehow or someway buckle under external economic pressure or internal social pressure. Didn't they require Western help to get through the famine? Those opportunities may have been squandered so this is what we're left with, a nuclear NK with missiles. We are now faced with the possibility of doing something preemptively.
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That's a scary bet.

What odds are you giving? Is that based upon even odds? How about 5:1 odds that N Korea will be the first to decide to attack? That would still leave a 20% likelihood that Trump, for the first time ever by a US president threatened the first attack use of nuclear weapons with his "fire and fury" statement to the press, might start the war.

The primary problem with the bet is that regardless of which side strikes first it results in a nuclear war. There's only one bet that's of importance and that bet is...

What's the odds of avoiding a war, nuclear or otherwise, with North Korea.

Downtown Seoul, the capital of South Korea, with a population of over 9 million people, is within range of N Korea's 170mm artillery that's in hardened emplacements along the border. In a conventional war it's estimated that N Korea could launch an artillery and 120mm rocket attack on Seoul that estimates during the Clinton administration established could result in over one million South Korean deaths. Virtually all of the US troops in S Korea, about 28,000 are threated by conventional weapon alone.

When it comes to a nuclear war the potential death toll soars. It's highly unlikely that the US could take out N Korea's nuclear arsenal and even a few nuclear tipped ICBM's represent a threat to tens of millions of people in SE Asia. In retaliation for a US nuclear attack the North Koreans could decide to attack Tokyo with a population of over 38 million Japanese. Based upon the most recent N Korean missile tests analysts state that it's mathematically possible for N Korea to even attack Los Angeles. One nuclear warhead going off in Los Angeles is beyond horrifying for most Americans (but apparently not for President Trump).

War is not an acceptable option but that's the only option that Trump's putting on the table.



Let's review this as international policy.

Does it also apply to the US threats being made by President Trump of a nuclear attack on N Korea? Should the United States be annihilated because Trump is an idiot that threatens to attack a foreign country with nuclear weapons?

I have argued in the past that any actual nuclear attack by any nation should initiate an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike by the five authorized nuclear weapons nations under the NPT. That would include any nuclear attack by any of the five authorized nuclear weapons nations under the NPT including the United States if we were the first to use a nuclear weapon.

While Republicans love to disparage the United Nations the UN Security Council just passed a resolution imposing severe economic sanctions on North Korea. Of course our "Idiot-in-Chief" (that's always willing to take credit for the accomplishments of others) jumped all over that claiming responsibility for the sanction, which in turn N Korea condemned the United States, when the truth is our vote was unimportant. The important votes came from Russia and China. Any intelligent president would have cited Russia and China as being the key behind the Security Council resolution, not the United States, and we would be putting pressure on China to threaten North Korea with a nuclear retaliatory response if North Korea was to ever use a nuclear weapon.

The US shouldn't be threatening North Korea with nuclear retaliation. The Chinese should be threatening N Korea with retaliation if it ever uses a nuclear weapon. The US should save it's threats of nuclear retaliation for other rouge nuclear weapon nations like Israel. It's one thing to be threatened by your "enemy" and a completely different situation when your ally draws a line in the sand.

But unfortunately we lack a president with any diplomatic skills or knowledge about how to deal with a crisis of this magnitude. Trump is doing exactly the opposite of what needs to be done to prevent a war, conventional or nuclear, that would have devastating consequences for both sides if it ever happens.

We've always been concerned about a "Nut with Nukes" in N Korea but now we have our own "Nut with Nukes" in the United States and it looks like one of the two nutcases is going to start a war that will be the worst war in the history of the world.
Shiva, the NK problem has been talked and compromised and diplomaticzed to death over the past 50 + years and this is what we're left with. That generally has been out foreign policy since WW I. And it hasn't worked. So what now? You state that President Trump is leaving only one option. You got a better plan?

Next up, Iran. Same problem. Same solutions tried. Same results.
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NK already called his bluff. Trump said what would happen if NK made anymore threats. They did. And what did your hero do? Nothing....
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Good thing Obama is gone. Not sure he would have done anything. Oh wait he did nothing didn't he?

Obama was a puzzy and fat boy pushed him around.

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NK already called his bluff. Trump said what would happen if NK made anymore threats. They did. And what did your hero do? Nothing....
It isn't over till it's over. No nuclear weapons will be used, though. No need for them. Would you like a front row seat?
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