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Remember the howling about President Trump was "destroying" NATO by forcefully pointing out there are deadbeat nations not paying their fair share in the form of domestic military spending? Oh, we are told it helps the Russian boogeyman to suggest the advanced European countries fulfill their NATO commitments, somehow the US taxpayer ought to shoulder the burden without complaint.

But according to a July 29th CNN article NATO allies in aggregate have been increasing defense spending.

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America's NATO allies in Europe and Canada will increase defense spending by 4.3% in 2017, according to official NATO statistics released Thursday.

The boost comes amid continued criticism from President Donald Trump, who has frequently slammed allies for not meeting NATO defense spending targets.

Twenty-five NATO allies plan to increase spending in real terms in 2017, according to the report.
Speaking to reporters Thursday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg called the new money "a significant increase," adding that "European Allies and Canada spent almost $46 billion more on defense" since 2014.

"We are moving in the right direction when it comes to burden-sharing and defense spending," he added.

It's the first time NATO has published its annual report on member defense spending since Trump was inaugurated.
Trump puts forth a simple proposition, the American taxpayer ought not to be forced to pay for the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their spending commitments.

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Twenty-three of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be paying for their defense. This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States," Trump said during his speech in Brussels following last month's summit.
An alliance where less than 20% of the members fulfill their obligations cannot be criticised because somehow that helps the Russians.

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And the left is SILENT.

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And the left is SILENT.

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And why not since they can't spin every news release...
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I really do think that is great, but I am not tired of winning yet.
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So far the checks haven't cleared.

Probably because they haven't been written.

America's NATO allies in Europe and Canada will increase defense spending by 4.3% in 2017, according to official NATO statistics released Thursday.



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I am not you people, I am an American. I want my country to win and keep winning no matter who the President is.
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I am not you people, I am an American. I want my country to win and keep winning no matter who the President is.
If you really believe that, then quit bashing our elected President then. It does our country no good when you do that.

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But according to a July 29th CNN article NATO allies in aggregate have been increasing defense spending.
The increases in the defense spending by NATO countries is based upon the Wales Agreement in 2014 resulting from the diplomatic efforts of the Obama administration.

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Taking current commitments into account, we are guided by the following considerations:
Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so. Likewise, Allies spending more than 20% of their defence budgets on major equipment, including related Research & Development, will continue to do so.
Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will:
halt any decline in defence expenditure;
aim to increase defence expenditure in real terms as GDP grows;
aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO's capability shortfalls.
http://www.nato.int/cps/ic/natohq/of...xts_112964.htm

The increases in spending by NATO countries that currently fall below the 2% of GDP spending guideline (not a requirement) was previously agreed to and had absolutely nothing to do with President Trump standing before the NATO members and in his ignorance arrogantly demanding an increase in their defense expenditures. As has been the case in virtually all "positive" events since Trump took office his claims of success typically reflect the success of others, typically the prior administration, and he covers up his failure by blaming others (e.g. "It's all Hillary's fault" or "It's the Democrats obstructionism").

That said we could argue that Trump has inadvertently influenced the current increases in NATO spending. Because of his incompetence as the President our European allies have virtually no faith in Trump ever doing the right thing. The recent PEW Research report indicates that only 22% of those living in foreign countries believe Trump will do the right thing in any given situation (compared to 65% for President Obama).

Because of Trump's incompetence and untrustworthiness German Chancellor Merkel, the newly recognized leader of the Free World, stated that Europe can no longer depend upon the United States and must take the defense of Europe into it's own hands. With Trump's abdication of the role of Leader of the Free World the European members of NATO did have to step up and fill the void in the defense of Europe that Trump created.

So it can be stated accurately that because of Trump's incompetency and untrustworthiness as a world leader the NATO member countries have accelerated their previously agreed to defense spending but the actual spending increases were already agreed to in 2014.
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If you really believe that, then quit bashing our elected President then. It does our country no good when you do that.

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If President Trump can magically become competent and stop screwing up everything so there's no reason to "bash" him then it will stop but as long as everything coming from his administration is negative, from his lies, his deceptions and even the abdication of US world leadership he's going to continue to earn the "bashing" he's been receiving.

It was estimated that over 90% of the news coverage of President Trump has been negative and that's because over 90% of "everything Trump" has been negative.

I don't know why Trump supporters should belief Trump deserves support when he's destroying America on all fronts.

Trump abandoned US economic and political leadership in the Pacific Region by withdrawing from the TPP.

Trump abandoned US leadership of the Free World because of his incompetence and untrustworthiness.

Trump abandoned US leadership in energy policies by announcing the withdrawal of the United States from the Paris Accord.

Trump has abandoned his promise on Health Care Reform by backing the GOP's "health care" legislation that doesn't increase health care for Americans but instead would eliminate health care for over 22 million Americans.

Trump abandoned civil rights, public education, the environment, and respect for law and the US Constitution.

President Trump's only claim to fame is appointing a Supreme Court Justice that doesn't make decisions based upon "originalism" and "original intent" but instead 100% his decisions are predicated upon "social conservative" political ideology. Even then his selection was so contentious that Republicans had to abandon a Senate rule to protect minority political opinion in the United States that even Republicans that voted for the rule change condemned.

Everything else about the Trump administration is based upon "negativism" and Trump has yet to do anything positive for America.

When Trump stops being negative then the bashing will subside but it's not going away as long as Trump continues the way he's been since taking office.
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