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Old 07-17-2017, 07:36 AM
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America's NATO allies in Europe and Canada will increase defense spending by 4.3% in 2017, according to official NATO statistics released Thursday.

Twenty-five NATO allies plan to increase spending in real terms in 2017, according to the report.
That they agreed to do in 2014 under the Wales Summit Declaration. I'm not sure why anyone is making such a big deal over something the NATO members agreed to do three years ago.
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If President Trump can magically become competent and stop screwing up everything so there's no reason to "bash" him then it will stop but as long as everything coming from his administration is negative, from his lies, his deceptions and even the abdication of US world leadership he's going to continue to earn the "bashing" he's been receiving.

It was estimated that over 90% of the news coverage of President Trump has been negative and that's because over 90% of "everything Trump" has been negative.

I don't know why Trump supporters should belief Trump deserves support when he's destroying America on all fronts.

Trump abandoned US economic and political leadership in the Pacific Region by withdrawing from the TPP.

Trump abandoned US leadership of the Free World because of his incompetence and untrustworthiness.

Trump abandoned US leadership in energy policies by announcing the withdrawal of the United States from the Paris Accord.

Trump has abandoned his promise on Health Care Reform by backing the GOP's "health care" legislation that doesn't increase health care for Americans but instead would eliminate health care for over 22 million Americans.

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President Trump's only claim to fame is appointing a Supreme Court Justice that doesn't make decisions based upon "originalism" and "original intent" but instead 100% his decisions are predicated upon "social conservative" political ideology. Even then his selection was so contentious that Republicans had to abandon a Senate rule to protect minority political opinion in the United States that even Republicans that voted for the rule change condemned.

Everything else about the Trump administration is based upon "negativism" and Trump has yet to do anything positive for America.

When Trump stops being negative then the bashing will subside but it's not going away as long as Trump continues the way he's been since taking office.
To summarize, President Trump has accomplished a lot by at least attempting to roll back the damage done by the previous administration. Some of the damage done can be undone. The land grab known as National Monument program, and the let 'em all in immigration policy for another. Plus the TPP and the Paris accord. President Trump is at least attempting to roll those back. Probably will get those done in spite of activist judges. Others we are probably stuck with, at least in part. The Iran giveaway and Obamacare come to mind.

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The increases in the defense spending by NATO countries is based upon the Wales Agreement in 2014 resulting from the diplomatic efforts of the Obama administration.


http://www.nato.int/cps/ic/natohq/of...xts_112964.htm

The increases in spending by NATO countries that currently fall below the 2% of GDP spending guideline (not a requirement) was previously agreed to and had absolutely nothing to do with President Trump standing before the NATO members and in his ignorance arrogantly demanding an increase in their defense expenditures. As has been the case in virtually all "positive" events since Trump took office his claims of success typically reflect the success of others, typically the prior administration, and he covers up his failure by blaming others (e.g. "It's all Hillary's fault" or "It's the Democrats obstructionism").

That said we could argue that Trump has inadvertently influenced the current increases in NATO spending. Because of his incompetence as the President our European allies have virtually no faith in Trump ever doing the right thing. The recent PEW Research report indicates that only 22% of those living in foreign countries believe Trump will do the right thing in any given situation (compared to 65% for President Obama).

Because of Trump's incompetence and untrustworthiness German Chancellor Merkel, the newly recognized leader of the Free World, stated that Europe can no longer depend upon the United States and must take the defense of Europe into it's own hands. With Trump's abdication of the role of Leader of the Free World the European members of NATO did have to step up and fill the void in the defense of Europe that Trump created.

So it can be stated accurately that because of Trump's incompetency and untrustworthiness as a world leader the NATO member countries have accelerated their previously agreed to defense spending but the actual spending increases were already agreed to in 2014.
The Germans have actually decreased their military spending as a percentage of GDP since the 2014 agreement. Why not, when they could be dependent on the US taxpayer to pay the bill. Remember, Obama "led from behind" meaningless doublespeak to disguise his abdication of American leadership as he did in Libya.

The vaunted Wales Agreement is a vague notion of increasing military spending over a decade signed during the Obama administration so therefore any increases until 2014 are to.Obama's credit. Funniest thing, Obama never pushed for the Wales agreement, the President so insistent on an "agreement " with the Iranian theocracy he sent them midnight flights loaded with cash and who slashed our military budget is responsible for any increases in NATO allies defense spending even after he left office. Of course President Trump refuses to play the political shell game where the US taxpayer shoulders the burden for NATO deadbeat nations while we wait for the miracle of 2024. Leadership means having to tell unpleasant truths like the free ride for the NATO deadbeat nations needs to come to an end.
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That they agreed to do in 2014 under the Wales Summit Declaration. I'm not sure why anyone is making such a big deal over something the NATO members agreed to do three years ago.
Who cares what they agreed to? What matters is what they did. It remains to be seen whether the money will now start to flow, but it didn't happen after they agreed.
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The Germans have actually decreased their military spending as a percentage of GDP since the 2014 agreement. Why not, when they could be dependent on the US taxpayer to pay the bill. Remember, Obama "led from behind" meaningless doublespeak to disguise his abdication of American leadership as he did in Libya.

The vaunted Wales Agreement is a vague notion of increasing military spending over a decade signed during the Obama administration so therefore any increases until 2014 are to.Obama's credit. Funniest thing, Obama never pushed for the Wales agreement, the President so insistent on an "agreement " with the Iranian theocracy he sent them midnight flights loaded with cash and who slashed our military budget is responsible for any increases in NATO allies defense spending even after he left office. Of course President Trump refuses to play the political shell game where the US taxpayer shoulders the burden for NATO deadbeat nations while we wait for the miracle of 2024. Leadership means having to tell unpleasant truths like the free ride for the NATO deadbeat nations needs to come to an end.
BBBut, AZ, President Trump is screwing up the world power so bad that China and Germany are stepping up and taking over the world leadership.
And that's supposedly a bad thing.
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