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Since when did the left consider a Bush ethics lawyer reliable?

Ah the days when everything Bush and everyone around him were horrible, evil bastards. Now all of a sudden they're the voice of reason.

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Since when did the left consider a Bush ethics lawyer reliable?
Ah the days when everything Bush and everyone around him were horrible, evil bastards. Now all of a sudden they're the voice of reason.
When they started reading the constitution Again.
Seems Bush's Ethics and Lawyers somehow couldn't read it very well while they were working for Bush. Now that they are free of having to TWIST things for the boss they can see clearly again. Lack of pressure and influence is a wonderful thing.

But I guess some Bush supporters still have forgotten that the constitution is still the highest law of the land. And prefer to interrupt it based on who's in office and covering for their favorite politicians rather than reading the words and original intent and the like.

just saying'

BTW there were several JAGs and Military Lawyers that were ON POINT constitutionally. Heck even Ashcroft on occasion sounded the whistle And spoke out against some of the things they saw as clearly illegal/unconstitutional during the Bush Admin.
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When they started reading the constitution Again.
Seems Bush's Ethics and Lawyers somehow couldn't read it very well while they were working for Bush. Now that they are free of having to TWIST things for the boss they can see clearly again. Lack of pressure and influence is a wonderful thing.

But I guess some Bush supporters still have forgotten that the constitution is still the highest law of the land. And prefer to interrupt it based on who's in office and covering for their favorite politicians rather than reading the words and original intent and the like.

just saying'

BTW there were several JAGs and Military Lawyers that were ON POINT constitutionally. Heck even Ashcroft on occasion sounded the whistle And spoke out against some of the things they saw as clearly illegal/unconstitutional during the Bush Admin.
Agreed,

Using Executive power to regulate instead of the Legislature is done is a curious way the Founders didn't imagine. Place an EO on the books. It has the power of law. Citizens who have "standing" can then sue. The courts rule and WHA LA!,,,,, you magically have a new law without using the Legislature.

GW Bush didn't start this power grab creep by the Executive branch, but he gave it one hell of a push. Doubled the Government in size and complexity, mostly in the Executive functions. I would certainly question the validity of his advisor's advice.
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President Obama just took it further.

I cannot think of any significant thing the Congress has done in the last 6 years. The Dems obstructed, the President threatened to veto, why bother. Aside from budgets and investigations what have we heard from the Congress? For those who do not understand the original construction of our Republic, the CONGRESS represents the interests of the people. The EXECUTIVE enforces the legislations and manages the operations of the Government. The COURT keeps them honest and inside the boundaries of the Constitution.

That is the Covenant of our Republic.

I kinda hope PE TRUMP gets us back to where we should be. But in reality, the damage is done and likely un-repairable. Add to that the likelihood of PE TRUMP's ego, and I don't see the White House power being diminished anytime soon.
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Agreed,

Using Executive power to regulate instead of the Legislature is done is a curious way the Founders didn't imagine. Place an EO on the books. It has the power of law. Citizens who have "standing" can then sue. The courts rule and WHA LA!,,,,, you magically have a new law without using the Legislature.

GW Bush didn't start this power grab creep by the Executive branch, but he gave it one hell of a push. Doubled the Government in size and complexity, mostly in the Executive functions. I would certainly question the validity of his advisor's advice.
How The Growth Of Executive Power Is A Threat To Representative Government | Expose Obama

President Obama just took it further.

I cannot think of any significant thing the Congress has done in the last 6 years. The Dems obstructed, the President threatened to veto, why bother. Aside from budgets and investigations what have we heard from the Congress? For those who do not understand the original construction of our Republic, the CONGRESS represents the interests of the people. The EXECUTIVE enforces the legislations and manages the operations of the Government. The COURT keeps them honest and inside the boundaries of the Constitution.

That is the Covenant of our Republic.

I kinda hope PE TRUMP gets us back to where we should be. But in reality, the damage is done and likely un-repairable. Add to that the likelihood of PE TRUMP's ego, and I don't see the White House power being diminished anytime soon.
Why do you even care about what the so called founding fathers thought?

They pretty much were on a war path to destroy native nations. Just look at Andrew Jackson.

And as far as a Republic? Peeshaw that worked very well for Rome with Caligula, Nero etc...
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All because we don't have the checks and balances we think we do. Our Democracy is weak, flawed even, and it's too late to change.
In other words, simply because Trump won the presidency, the left feels compelled to describe our system as "weak" and "flawed"...
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No amount of crying fake news, or invoking HRC can unfu*k the quagmire of conflicts of interest and potential treason that constitute the foundation of the Trump administration. Oil deals with Russia, debts to China, hotel deals at home and abroad; so many cats are already out of the bag, it's going to take a mountain of Trump steaks and failed Trump U students turned cat catchers to even begin to put Humpty Trumpty together again.
Simply put, Donald Trump is the first president in recent history to be delegitimized by the opposition (who are simply butthurt over the election results)...
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In other words, simply because Trump won the presidency, the left feels compelled to describe our system as "weak" and "flawed"...
Out of everything I said, you come back with this nonsense?

No that's not what I said pjohns.
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In other words, Donald Trump is the first president in recent history to be delegitimized by the opposition (who are simply butthurt over the election results)...
Thanks for joining in the discussion! I really appreciate your amazing insight! Keep it up big guy!

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With No Warning, House Republicans Vote to Gut Independent Ethics Office


Can't have those Pesky ETHICS people SLOWLIN' UP progress on all the Job creating draining the swamp legislation comin' down the line. Right?
And maybe sending Crooks to JAIL and the like.
Jail's the type of thing for people who AREN"T gov't officials anyway.

sheesh we're in heap a trouble.
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