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Old 06-25-2014, 02:55 PM
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Boehner. I don't know how these guys can be so wrong all the time. This will blow back in his face. He is striking now because he perceives Obama's poll numbers as an opportunity. He never understands that Americans are tired of the rancor and wants them to work together. That hasn't changed despite Obama's numbers. Look at his leadership and his numbers? They never learn.
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While obviously there should be checks to power, this Congress in recent years has been incredibly unproductive and ripe in gridlock, and I think even beyond what the founders intended when they wanted a slow, deliberative process to legislation. We can barely even pass a budget these days, much less pass meaningful tax and immigration reform. This is basic stuff here, and we can't even get that done without running it through the world's longest, continually jamming meat grinder. Even when we had that short stint of filibuster-proof Democratic rule in the House, Senate, and Presidency, they really didn't do a whole lot with it.
A budget? Good grief Wally, what country have you been in for the past five years. Ask Harry Reid about a budget.

And forget about immigration reform. Given Obama's propensity to usurp congress and the law (the OP) congress will enact no immigration reform as long as Obama is in office. Congress, as a whole, does not trust him to enforce the law.
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While obviously there should be checks to power, this Congress in recent years has been incredibly unproductive and ripe in gridlock, and I think even beyond what the founders intended when they wanted a slow, deliberative process to legislation. We can barely even pass a budget these days, much less pass meaningful tax and immigration reform. This is basic stuff here, and we can't even get that done without running it through the world's longest, continually jamming meat grinder. Even when we had that short stint of filibuster-proof Democratic rule in the House, Senate, and Presidency, they really didn't do a whole lot with it.
Interesting how "Congress" is criticized as unproductive but Harry Reid and Senate Democrats are never recognized as the root cause. In addition to blocking the budget so completely the Senate didn't have a committee hearing on it for nearly three years and hijacking regular order to ram Obamacare through as a reconciliation bill with built in recurring appropriations, cloned into an unrelated veterans benefits bill. Harry has perfected the technique of filling the tree blocking any amendments to bills he decides to let the Senate consider. Does President Obama pressure Harry the Intransigent to get more productivity out of Congress? He could care less, he revels in inaction so he can blame someone else.

Remember the government shutdown? It followed 4 separate continuing resolutions funding the government by the House, each with increasingly accommodating to Obama provisions. The Senate Democrats "worked together" by tabling the bills in support of Obama's no negotiation policy. Republicans eventually "cooperated" by caving in to Obama and the Democrats absolute demands.

When the Democrats had huge majorities in both houses of Congress they only passed the Stimulus blowing up the debt by $787 billion, created a $2+ trillion new entitlement called Obamacare and wrecked the financial sector with Dodd/Frank. But somehow that qualifies as not doing much?
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What does the Constitution have to say about ways of curing the gridlock that now exists between congress and the President? It seems to me that the checks-and-balances written into the division of government powers are now barriers. What about the Constitution’s Article III, where it states“The judicial power shall extend to all cases…and controversies”??


The controversy this time is in bohners lawsuit. SOooo…now boehner wants our courts to decide, legal controversies, and hand out advisory opinions on how the laws or the Constitution is to be interpreted?


It seems to me, if my memory is right that there was a time, not too long ago when members of congress have bitched about an active judiciary and now their taken to the courts because the cant get **** done.
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I'll believe it when I see it….

Boehner is a big ***** and he's going to have to be more specific on the charges in the lawsuit. I've been hearing that this was going to happen for at least 4 years….
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Agreed. Unfortunately, most of the lack of legislative advancement can only be laid at Sen, Reid's feet. The house passed the budgets, and the bills. Reid refused to bring them up. Even bringing them up to have them defeated would have been some progress, but not even bringing them up was, and is, a dereliction of his duty and an abuse of office by Reid.

The lawsuit, though, is a separate issue. It claims abuse of office by Obama because of his changing passed legislation by presidential fiat. While I agree that the Senate has totally failed to do the job it is supposed to do, that doesn't hand dictatorial power to a president irregardless of his politics.
Actually this a two way street. The House also has refused to bring to a vote a number of bills set over from the Senate. Can't blame it all on either house as both are guilty.

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Actually this a two way street. The House also has refused to bring to a vote a number of bills set over from the Senate. Can't blame it all on either house as both are guilty.

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Unfortunately, the house doesn't have a constitutional duty to consider the bills from the senate. The senate does have a constitutional duty to vote on a budget that is passed by the house. That can't be blamed on the house as the senate has zero authority to send a budget to the house.
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Unfortunately, the house doesn't have a constitutional duty to consider the bills from the senate. The senate does have a constitutional duty to vote on a budget that is passed by the house. That can't be blamed on the house as the senate has zero authority to send a budget to the house.
most of the stuff Harry doesnt bring to the floor is cause its a waste of time he knows the votes are not there to override a veto.
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I'll believe it when I see it….

Boehner is a big ***** and he's going to have to be more specific on the charges in the lawsuit. I've been hearing that this was going to happen for at least 4 years….
Democrats tried the same thing against Bush, someone who used his executive pen more times than Obama, and that went totally nowhere. For the people so outraged against the idea of executive power, where were you in the last administration? Where was John Boehner bringing up lawsuits?

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Boehner has a problem because he lacks standing to file a lawsuit. He would have to establish that he personally suffered direct harm from an executive order and I can't think of any case where that would be true. Lacking standing the case will not be heard by any federal court.

If the House GOP has a problem with the President's compliance with the US Constitution it's only recourse is impeachment under the US Constitution.
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