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Old 07-30-2013, 05:25 PM
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What do you do when you're against something and can't make a good argument supporting your case? Lie.

I'm a little surprised Obama hasn't approved the Keystone pipeline project yet. I figured after the 2012 election, when he no longer had to pander to the unions and environmentalists, he woulda jumped on this. But like almost everything else Obama's eyes are caught in the headlights at night on a desolate country road and unsure what to do. So what do you do when you're undecided? Punt. Do nothing. When called out and forced to explain your decision to do nothing you merely lie about the particulars.

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President Obama doubled down Tuesday on his claim that the Keystone XL oil pipeline would create just a handful of jobs, despite being hammered by Republicans and fact-checkers alike for the claim.

The president addressed Keystone during a speech in Chattanooga, Tenn., as he challenged Republicans to come up with new jobs proposals.

"They keep on talking about this -- an oil pipeline coming down from Canada that's estimated to create about 50 permanent jobs. That's not a jobs plan," Obama said.

In citing the 50-jobs number, though, the president was using the smallest possible number attached to the pipeline project. The estimate he used likely refers to a State Department finding that -- after the pipeline is built -- it would take roughly 50 people to maintain it.

But the comment ignores the rest of the State Department report that estimates the project would create nearly 4,000 annual construction jobs -- and potentially "support" an annual 42,000 jobs.

Obama similarly ignored those findings during an interview he gave recently to The New York Times. In the interview, Obama said the project would create roughly 2,000 construction jobs and maybe 100 additional jobs after that -- calling it a "blip relative to the need."

As FoxNews.com reported on Monday, Obama appeared to eschew the higher job-creation estimate from his own State Department, opting instead to use the numbers from a 2011 Cornell University Global Labor Institute study, which opposes construction of the crude-oil pipeline.

A Washington Post fact-check column on Tuesday questioned why the administration would ignore its own numbers.
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Wow, 42,500 jobs vs 50? Any fact checkers other than Fox and WP? just wondering.
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What do you do when you're against something and can't make a good argument supporting your case? Lie.

I'm a little surprised Obama hasn't approved the Keystone pipeline project yet. I figured after the 2012 election, when he no longer had to pander to the unions and environmentalists, he woulda jumped on this. But like almost everything else Obama's eyes are caught in the headlights at night on a desolate country road and unsure what to do. So what do you do when you're undecided? Punt. Do nothing. When called out and forced to explain your decision to do nothing you merely lie about the particulars.

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Wow, 42,500 jobs vs 50? Any fact checkers other than Fox and WP? just wondering.
Yes, read the OP the State department estimates a a potential of 42,000 jobs generated from the pipeline. Phoney numbers recited by a phoney President but you are all ears at the sound of the masters voice.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:51 PM
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Wow, 42,500 jobs vs 50? Any fact checkers other than Fox and WP? just wondering.
You mean like where it says "state department report".
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"Supporting" 42,000 jobs is a bit different from creating them.

My question is how many temporary and permanent jobs will this really create. 4,000? 2,000? 100? 50? Do we honestly know or are we (including the president) going by continually revised estimates and are just pretending to know?
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"Supporting" 42,000 jobs is a bit different from creating them.

My question is how many temporary and permanent jobs will this really create. 4,000? 2,000? 100? 50? Do we honestly know or are we (including the president) going by continually revised estimates and are just pretending to know?
Think about it. The Keystone pipeline is 1,700 miles long and will cost $7 billion to build. It will take about 2 years to build it. If you have 42,000 people working on it for 2 years at an average cost of $20 to $25 an hour, you will have around $4 billion in labor costs which sounds about right.

Keep in mind, not everyone will be working directly on the pipeline. You will need engineers, architects, surveyors, building of materials for the pipeline, transportation of materials, suppliers, etc.

These will all be new jobs or extension of existing jobs instead of lay-offs as without this work, there would be no need for any of these people.
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Think about it. The Keystone pipeline is 1,700 miles long and will cost $7 billion to build. It will take about 2 years to build it. If you have 42,000 people working on it for 2 years at an average cost of $20 to $25 an hour, you will have around $4 billion in labor costs which sounds about right.

Keep in mind, not everyone will be working directly on the pipeline. You will need engineers, architects, surveyors, building of materials for the pipeline, transportation of materials, suppliers, etc.

These will all be new jobs or extension of existing jobs instead of lay-offs as without this work, there would be no need for any of these people.
Then you have refiners, shippers, management and support staff, etc.
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After five years of this moron hasn't he quadrupled down on stupid by now?
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42,000 temporary jobs isn't creating jobs, the State Department also said in their report that the Pipline would likely lead to 35 permanent positions... that's lower than what Obama cited.

When the source for the OP is Fox News it can't be trusted anyway, just another Obama bashing post ...
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Incredible that Obama was jumping around for quite awhile yelling at the top of his lungs how he created jobs by hiring part-time census workers that worked for less than a year asking questions, carrying a clipboard and producing absolutely no revenue, but having workers in steel and construction for a multi-year project that would reap billions?...

Well, they just don't count...
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