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NSA whistleblower Russ Tice joins us to go on record for the first time with new revelations and the names of official culprits involved in the NSA’s illegal practices. Mr. Tice explains in detail how the National Security Agency targets, sucks-in, stores and analyzes illegally obtained content from the masses in the United States. He contradicts officials and the mainstream media on the status of the NSA’s Utah facility, which is already operating and “On-Line.” He reveals the NSA as a Deep State that targets and wiretaps US political candidates for its own purposes. We discuss the latest controversies involving the NSA, PRISM, Edward Snowden, and the spins and lies that are being floated by the US mainstream and pseudo-alternative media. - See more at: Sibel Edmonds' Boiling Frogs Post | Home of the Irate Minority
1st NSA whistle Blower Russ Tice says it's worse than you think.
Back in 2005 he went to the Congress and spoke in secret, the New York Times, Larry King, and others and mentioned various aspects of NSA Abuses. It was shocking but little was done with what he did reveal and he was retaliated against. He says he felt alone and since what he said wasn't taking that seriously he just waited.
since the Snowden story has Broken he's been invited on 3 TV broadcast were the interviews were oddly canceled at the last minute.
But He's done a few radio and podcast interviews where he "gets it all off his chest".
We worked as a satellite communications specialist and literally handled the orders to tap and collect info on various persons, foreign and domestic. And it's as bad as any of us had imagined . he sat that the NSA must be reigned in it is as Bad as Hoover FBI.

highlights:
•He and group of other NSA insiders confirm (again) that, Yes, the content of ALL phone conversations are being recorded and stored, official it's for 5 years, (which itself was an administrative extension of from 60days under law), but in reality it's indefinitely.
•He never saw a FISA request to wire tap anyone. the only paper work he saw was to tap various persons.
•Confirms Snowden, yes NSA operators with certain levels of clearance can at will access nearly all info on any target domestically without any prior orders or releases.
• He personally handled illegal wiretap/collection orders that targeted Hillary Clinton, Colon Powell, Senator Obama, Gen. Patraus, many members of Congress, Former White house staff members, and many others persons of note in the gov't and private sector.
•He found that when trying to report abuses by going through "proper channels" that all of his "confidential" disclosers to congress, the oversight bodies and later the press were going back to his bosses.
•The Utah facility "like the half built Death Star of Star Wars" is operational now, and has room for expansion.
•there is no one with oversight of the wiretapping/electronic surveillance program. the congresses intel committees only see what the NSA officials want them to see.


links at the bottom to his radio interviews. the congressional wiretapping aspects of the interview are covered in the below

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NSA Whistleblower: NSA Spying On – and Blackmailing – Top Government Officials and Military Officers

Posted on June 20, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog
Whistleblower Says Spy Agency Targeting Top American Leaders

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice – a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping – told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frogs Post (the website of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds):
Tice: Okay. They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. international–U.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs that–like the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know, when I said to [former MSNBC show host Keith] Olbermann, I said, my particular thing is high tech and you know, what’s going on is the other thing, which is the dragnet. The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet. Well my specialty is outer space. I deal with satellites, and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that’s how I found out about this.
Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the–oh, I’m sorry, it was intelligence committees, let me correct that–not intelligence community, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.
Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, DC. That’s who they went after. And that’s the president of the United States now.


Other whistleblowers say the same thing. When the former head of the NSA’s digital spying program – William Binney – disclosed the fact that the U.S. was spying on everyone in the U.S. and storing the data forever, and that the U.S. was quickly becoming a totalitarian state, the Feds tried to scare him into shutting up:
[Numerous] FBI officers held a gun to Binney’s head as he stepped naked from the shower. He watched with his wife and youngest son as the FBI ransacked their home. Later Binney was separated from the rest of his family, and FBI officials pressured him to implicate one of the other complainants in criminal activity. During the raid, Binney attempted to report to FBI officials the crimes he had witnessed at NSA, in particular the NSA’s violation of the constitutional rights of all Americans. However, the FBI wasn’t interested in these disclosures. Instead, FBI officials seized Binney’s private computer, which to this day has not been returned despite the fact that he has not been charged with a crime.
Other NSA whistleblowers have also been subjected to armed raids and criminal prosecution.
After high-level CIA officer John Kiriakou blew the whistle on illegal CIA torture, the government prosecuted him for espionage.
Even the head of the CIA was targeted with extra-constitutional spying and driven out of office. Indeed, Binney makes it very clear that the government will use information gained from its all-pervasive spying program to frame anyone it doesn’t like.
(More examples here.)

NSA Whistleblower: NSA Spying On – and Blackmailing – Top Government Officials and Military Officers | Washington's Blog
Full interview
Sibel Edmonds' Boiling Frogs Post | Home of the Irate Minority

subsequent interview with a different host most the same info a few different details
The Corbett Report | Interview 685 – Russ Tice Reveals the Truth About NSA Spying
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This is the same Russ Tice who made these claims back in 2005 and they were found to be baseless by an inspector general's report. Tice was then terminated for filing this false report. He has continued his quest to perpetuate this discredited lie and this is nothing more than his latest effort at finding some gullible shill to help spread his lies.

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This is the same Russ Tice who made these claims back in 2005 and they were found to be baseless by an inspector general's report. Tice was then terminated for filing this false report. He has continued his quest to perpetuate this discredited lie and this is nothing more than his latest effort at finding some gullible shill to help spread his lies.

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Why do you think Tice is lying? It seems as if Snowden and the other NSA whisteblowers are confirming what Tice has been saying.
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Why do you think Tice is lying? It seems as if Snowden and the other NSA whisteblowers are confirming what Tice has been saying.
I don't know, I just know that his claims were investigated, found to be untrue and he was fired for filing a false report. Read the articel and you'll see that he has a history of jumpin gto conclusions and finding out that he was wrong. This thread is nothing but "B-b-b-but Bush..." to divert the discussion and issue away from Pres. Obama, so this is all the attention I'm going to give it. Tice was proven to be a liar and that's the end of his story as far as I'm concerned. I just wish that we'd give the current reports the same consideration of assigning an investigator and having them handled correctly instead of being tried in partisan committees and the press.
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1st NSA whistle Blower Russ Tice says it's worse than you think.
Back in 2005 he went to the Congress and spoke in secret, the New York Times, Larry King, and others and mentioned various aspects of NSA Abuses. It was shocking but little was done with what he did reveal and he was retaliated against. He says he felt alone and since what he said wasn't taking that seriously he just waited.
since the Snowden story has Broken he's been invited on 3 TV broadcast were the interviews were oddly canceled at the last minute.
But He's done a few radio and podcast interviews where he "gets it all off his chest".
We worked as a satellite communications specialist and literally handled the orders to tap and collect info on various persons, foreign and domestic. And it's as bad as any of us had imagined . he sat that the NSA must be reigned in it is as Bad as Hoover FBI.

highlights:
•He and group of other NSA insiders confirm (again) that, Yes, the content of ALL phone conversations are being recorded and stored, official it's for 5 years, (which itself was an administrative extension of from 60days under law), but in reality it's indefinitely.
•He never saw a FISA request to wire tap anyone. the only paper work he saw was to tap various persons.
•Confirms Snowden, yes NSA operators with certain levels of clearance can at will access nearly all info on any target domestically without any prior orders or releases.
• He personally handled illegal wiretap/collection orders that targeted Hillary Clinton, Colon Powell, Senator Obama, Gen. Patraus, many members of Congress, Former White house staff members, and many others persons of note in the gov't and private sector.
•He found that when trying to report abuses by going through "proper channels" that all of his "confidential" disclosers to congress, the oversight bodies and later the press were going back to his bosses.
•The Utah facility "like the half built Death Star of Star Wars" is operational now, and has room for expansion.
•there is no one with oversight of the wiretapping/electronic surveillance program. the congresses intel committees only see what the NSA officials want them to see.


links at the bottom to his radio interviews. the congressional wiretapping aspects of the interview are covered in the below


Full interview
Sibel Edmonds' Boiling Frogs Post | Home of the Irate Minority

subsequent interview with a different host most the same info a few different details
The Corbett Report | Interview 685 – Russ Tice Reveals the Truth About NSA Spying

If everyone's spying on everyone else wouldn't that kind of nullify the whole process? Kind of an undocumented worker stand-off
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If everyone's spying on everyone else wouldn't that kind of nullify the whole process? Kind of an undocumented worker stand-off
When each Pres and/or each head of the NSA decided to randomly use their full spectrum eavesdropping power on friends and foes domestically, does that really nullify anything?
Do left or right "ideals" come in play at that point, isn't it just plain ol power?

If everyone followed the Constitution that'd nullify the issue. no spying without warrants for a change.
people need to go to jail over this stuff.
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