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This is bad...

"Sequestration" was brought about by a compromise on the debt ceiling last year...It was signed by President Obama and contains automatic cuts (a ton of them to defense)...

So the contracting companies that deal with the government want to warn their employees that layoffs might be coming so they don't get slammed in the face like an iron if/when it happens...

In fact there is an actual law that requires them to do this...It's called the WARN Act...

But there's a problem in Obama's calculations...

When he signed sequestration, apparently, he didn't realize the layoff notices would be sent out prior to the presidential election...Not gonna get many votes when you signed a law killing their jobs...

So FIRST, Obama issued a statement pretending the law simply doesn't exist and contractors don't have to send them out...

But even if they don't HAVE to send them out, some contractors WANT to send them out...Once again, so the workers don't get hit broadsided when the layoffs occur...

And once again...Every layoff notice that shows up before election day is a reminder of what Obama did to their jobs...

So NOW, Obama is upping the ante...His administration is actually sending out "guidance statements" to the contractors telling them that if they DON'T send out the layoff notices and, as a result, get the pants sued of them because they broke the law, then the government will PAY their costs...

You read that correctly...

Obama wants these companies to break the law so workers won't know that he pulled the rug out from under their livelihood right before the election, so he's BRIBING the companies with YOUR tax dollars so the companies will keep their employees in the dark until AFTER the election...

Obama administration tells contractors again: Don’t issue layoff notices

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The Obama administration issued new guidance intended for defense contractors Friday afternoon, reiterating the administration’s position that the companies should not be issuing layoff notices over sequestration.

The Labor Department issued guidance in July saying it would be “inappropriate” for contractors to issue notices of potential layoffs tied to sequestration cuts. But a few contractors, most notably Lockheed Martin, said they still were considering whether to issue the notices — which would be sent out just days before the November election.

But the Friday guidance from the Office of Management and Budget raised the stakes in the dispute, telling contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance.

The guidance said that if plant closings or mass layoffs occur under sequestration, then “employee compensation costs for [Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification] WARN act liability as determined by a court” would be paid for covered by the contracting federal agency.

Senate Republicans, who accused the White House of trying to hide job losses after the first guidance, said Friday that the new OMB statement “puts politics ahead of American workers.”

“The Obama Administration is cynically trying to skirt the WARN Act to keep the American people in the dark about this looming national security and fiscal crisis,” Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said in a statement. “The president should insist that companies act in accordance with the clearly stated law and move forward with the layoff notices.”

The fight over WARN Act notices began in June when Lockheed Martin CEO Bob Stevens said his company might send the notices to all 123,000 of its employees.

Some companies were hesitant to follow Lockheed, but several others told McCain in letters earlier this month they might send the notices, too, despite the Labor Department guidance.

But the new guidance would appear to address one of the chief concerns from the companies — that they could be liable to compensate employees who were laid off if the companies don’t issue the notices.

The GOP senators complained, however, that this tactic would push the cost of the layoffs onto taxpayers.
"Beyond reprehensible" can be an overused and hyperbolic phrase...

Here, it applies perfectly...How ANYONE can support making companies break the law and then shielding them from the consequences using tax dollars purely for election gimmickry is "beyond reprehensible"...
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This is bad...

"Sequestration" was brought about by a compromise on the debt ceiling last year...It was signed by President Obama and contains automatic cuts (a ton of them to defense)...

So the contracting companies that deal with the government want to warn their employees that layoffs might be coming so they don't get slammed in the face like an iron if/when it happens...

In fact there is an actual law that requires them to do this...It's called the WARN Act...

But there's a problem in Obama's calculations...

When he signed sequestration, apparently, he didn't realize the layoff notices would be sent out prior to the presidential election...Not gonna get many votes when you signed a law killing their jobs...

So FIRST, Obama issued a statement pretending the law simply doesn't exist and contractors don't have to send them out...

But even if they don't HAVE to send them out, some contractors WANT to send them out...Once again, so the workers don't get hit broadsided when the layoffs occur...

And once again...Every layoff notice that shows up before election day is a reminder of what Obama did to their jobs...

So NOW, Obama is upping the ante...His administration is actually sending out "guidance statements" to the contractors telling them that if they DON'T send out the layoff notices and, as a result, get the pants sued of them because they broke the law, then the government will PAY their costs...

You read that correctly...

Obama wants these companies to break the law so workers won't know that he pulled the rug out from under their livelihood right before the election, so he's BRIBING the companies with YOUR tax dollars so the companies will keep their employees in the dark until AFTER the election...

Obama administration tells contractors again: Don’t issue layoff notices

"Beyond reprehensible" can be an overused and hyperbolic phrase...

Here, it applies perfectly...How ANYONE can support making companies break the law and then shielding them from the consequences using tax dollars purely for election gimmickry is "beyond reprehensible"...
A really dark, nasty part of myself, of which I am not proud is going to gloat if Obama is reelected and the reality of his policies no longer need to be hidden from the gullible who support him.
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A really dark, nasty part of myself, of which I am not proud is going to gloat if Obama is reelected and the reality of his policies no longer need to be hidden from the gullible who support him.
Sometimes I feel that way, too, but the thought is short and VERY temporary...

I would rather NOT have this country continue this horrible path than see it go that route simply so someone can get their comeuppance..

...which wouldn't happen anyway with this love affair...
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A really dark, nasty part of myself, of which I am not proud is going to gloat if Obama is reelected and the reality of his policies no longer need to be hidden from the gullible who support him.
Actually, I would find it revolting if he gets reelected, because the people of this country deserve better.
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Actually, I would find it revolting if he gets reelected, because the people of this country deserve better.
Do they? At this moment, I rather strongly feel that as a group, whether they deserve better or not will be an issue they decide on Election Day.

I guess I'm just getting cynical because if our people were now what they once were, Obama wouldn't have a chance in Hell of being reelected no matter who was running against him.
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Obviously he's expecting that once he is re-elected the republicans will give up their anti-Obama agenda since he cannot run again and that they will finally come to their senses and come to an agreement to avoid the Fiscal cliff awaiting the country at the first of the year.

Anyone with a brain realizes we are eventually going to be forced to make major cuts in defense.. if the budget is ever to be balanced again defense spending needs to be cut big. I personally wish they would simply let everything expire and start from scratch. That's the only way they are ever going to bring some balance to the budget and begin paying down the massive debt Bush left us with.
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Obviously he's expecting that once he is re-elected the republicans will give up their anti-Obama agenda since he cannot run again and that they will finally come to their senses and come to an agreement to avoid the Fiscal cliff awaiting the country at the first of the year.

Anyone with a brain realizes we are eventually going to be forced to make major cuts in defense.. if the budget is ever to be balanced again defense spending needs to be cut big. I personally wish they would simply let everything expire and start from scratch. That's the only way they are ever going to bring some balance to the budget and begin paying down the massive debt Bush left us with.
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Obviously he's expecting that once he is re-elected the republicans will give up their anti-Obama agenda since he cannot run again and that they will finally come to their senses and come to an agreement to avoid the Fiscal cliff awaiting the country at the first of the year.

Anyone with a brain realizes we are eventually going to be forced to make major cuts in defense.. if the budget is ever to be balanced again defense spending needs to be cut big. I personally wish they would simply let everything expire and start from scratch. That's the only way they are ever going to bring some balance to the budget and begin paying down the massive debt Bush left us with.
So, you think that the only reason the Reps. are not running the train off a cliff is to spite the engineer who wants to prove how fast he drive a train??

Are you truly that dense??

When you're in a hole, the first step is to stop digging, not get better at it. Stopping the decline is not obstruction for the sake of obstructing, it's trying to stop us from getting so deep that there's no way out. You think that a gov't that is a friggin' diesel-powered excavator digging us into a hole is a good thing, but some people think that the best thing we can do is cut off the fuel for it and stop the digging.
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So, you think that the only reason the Reps. are not running the train off a cliff is to spite the engineer who wants to prove how fast he drive a train??
No the only reason the reps are not running the train off the cliff is because the engineer driving the train is trying to put on the brakes before it goes over. What you republicans fail to realize is that if McCain would have been elected instead of Obama we would have gone over the cliff 4 years ago. We would still be up to our eyeballs in debt because that is the legacy of the Bush administration. Increased spending mixed with across the board tax cuts
drove the deficits to record highs and you think one 4 year term was enough to stop the bleeding... laughable.

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Are you?

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When you're in a hole, the first step is to stop digging, not get better at it. Stopping the decline is not obstruction for the sake of obstructing, it's trying to stop us from getting so deep that there's no way out. You think that a gov't that is a friggin' diesel-powered excavator digging us into a hole is a good thing, but some people think that the best thing we can do is cut off the fuel for it and stop the digging.
The problem is you right wingers don't want to cut off the fuel, you want to severe the fuel lines . Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper to put yourself on solid ground before you start filling the F******** hole back in. You have to dig to the bottom so you can build a better foundation that will sustain the weight once you put all the dirt back on top.
All you have to do is take a non biased look at the history of our country over the past 40 years and you will soon realize the futility of trying to convince me that Republican economic policies work. Republicans drove up the debt and deficits... Starting with Reagan and his trickle down economic platform. It took a Democrat to balance the budget. It took a Democrat to pay down the debt. Then another republican moron comes in and what does he do?.. he unravels everything in less than a year and we're back to huge deficits and triple the debt... AGAIN....

As your Hero Reagan once said >.. There you go Again....

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No the only reason the reps are not running the train off the cliff is because the engineer driving the train is trying to put on the brakes before it goes over. What you republicans fail to realize is that if McCain would have been elected instead of Obama we would have gone over the cliff 4 years ago. We would still be up to our eyeballs in debt because that is the legacy of the Bush administration. Increased spending mixed with across the board tax cuts
drove the deficits to record highs and you think one 4 year term was enough to stop the bleeding... laughable.



Are you?



The problem is you right wingers don't want to cut off the fuel, you want to severe the fuel lines . Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper to put yourself on solid ground before you start filling the F******** hole back in. You have to dig to the bottom so you can build a better foundation that will sustain the weight once you put all the dirt back on top.
All you have to do is take a non biased look at the history of our country over the past 40 years and you will soon realize the futility of trying to convince me that Republican economic policies work. Republicans drove up the debt and deficits... Starting with Reagan and his trickle down economic platform. It took a Democrat to balance the budget. It took a Democrat to pay down the debt. Then another republican moron comes in and what does he do?.. he unravels everything in less than a year and we're back to huge deficits and triple the debt... AGAIN....

As your Hero Reagan once said >.. There you go Again....

Thanks for the explanation of what we have to look forward to in a second Obama term, digging the hole deeper. Record spending, skyrocketing debt, structural high unemployment and credit downgrades. But Obama will not be responsible for any of it because nobody could have done better.
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