White House Counts Pre-Born Visitors

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 07:34 PM

Double whammy...Dumb AND hypocritical...

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The White House Visitors Office requires that an unborn child—still residing in utero—must be counted as a full human being when its parents register for a White House tour, according to documents obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

White House Visitors Office director Ellie Schafer sent an email to a Capitol Hill staffer Tuesday morning explaining the process for registering an unborn fetus for a White House tour:

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We have received a number of calls regarding how to enter security information for a baby that has not yet been born.

Crazy as it may sound, you MUST include the baby in the overall count of guests in the tour. It’s an easy process.

LAST NAME: The family’s last name
FIRST NAME: “Baby” as a first name
MIDDLE NAME: NMN as in No Middle Name
DOB: Use the date you are submitting the request to us as their birthday
GENDER: if the parents know put that gender down if not, you can enter either M or F as we’ll ask you to update it at the time of birth
SOCIAL: As they will not have a SSN and are under 18, you will not need to enter this field. Again if the spreadsheet asked for a social enter 9 zero’s (not the word nine zeros but 000000000 and yes it happens!)
CITIZEN/CITY/STATE: The citizen, city and state should be entered the same as the parents

Update: The National Right to Life Committee released a statement on Tuesday afternoon about Shafer’s email, highlighting the fact that the “Obama White House recognizes [a] ‘baby that has not been born’ for White House security purposes, but tolerates legal abortion to [the] moment  of birth in District of Columbia.”

saltwn · #2 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 07:35 PM

I don't believe this is true.

dabateman · #3 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 07:49 PM

Of course it's not true, but cnredd has been trolling the desperate conservative blogs again.

MrLiberty · #4 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Of course it's not true, but cnredd has been trolling the desperate conservative blogs again.

If it is untrue I would suspect that it would be a simple thing to prove. But, if it were to be proved true, you would have egg all over your face and I would expect you to apologize to redd.

foundit66 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 09:40 PM

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Ed Donovan, spokesman for the U.S. Secret Service, said people misunderstood the email. Schafer’s email, he said, was an explanation of how to fill out information for pregnant women who will bring their new baby on future White House tours.

"This refers to a pregnant woman providing information for a tour in the future that will include the new family member. So when a 7-month pregnant woman is providing information for a tour that is 4 months in the future, there is a ‘place holder’ for the new baby," Donovan wrote in an email.

In a phone call, he acknowledged the procedure may seem "a little anal."

"I know people are construing it as an unborn child, but the visit isn’t occurring (now). If a pregnant woman shows up at the White House, we don’t count two people. It’s sort of a way of expediting (the process) so no one gets hung up at the gate," he said.

PolitiFact | Anti-abortion group says Obama White House screens unborn babies

GAWD I get tired of b.s. right-wing crap.

The point is that when the tour actually occurs in the future, at THAT time there will be an actual baby there whose info wasn't previously registered...
If a woman is 3 months pregnant now and she will be 6 months pregnant during the future tour, this is all N/A...

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Originally Posted by MrLiberty

If it is untrue I would suspect that it would be a simple thing to prove. But, if it were to be proved true, you would have egg all over your face and I would expect you to apologize to redd.

I have learned not to hold my breath regarding the right apologizing for posting their b.s. crap, so I won't expect any reciprocity on your recommendation...

I won't expect any type of retraction from the piece of crap that redd pulled this from either...

Coyote · #6 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 09:43 PM

White House Tours Do Not Require Fetuses To Be Counted As Full Humans

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WASHINGTON -- Pregnant women are not required to count their fetuses as full human beings when registering for White House tours, contrary to some reports suggesting otherwise, the Secret Service said.

The Washington Free Beacon on Tuesday posted a copy of an email from White House Visitors Office director Ellie Schafer to a Capitol Hill staffer explaining the process for registering for a tour of the White House. The email indicates that pregnant women must include a baby in the count of guests if the child is expected to be born by the time of the tour, a line that some conservative news outlets say is akin to a pro-choice White House treating fetuses as people.

Media bias anyone?

Guess what Fox News and the other rightwing media outlets are reporting...

AzMike · #7 (**permalink**) 05-08-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

PolitiFact | Anti-abortion group says Obama White House screens unborn babies

GAWD I get tired of b.s. right-wing crap.

The point is that when the tour actually occurs in the future, at THAT time there will be an actual baby there whose info wasn't previously registered...
If a woman is 3 months pregnant now and she will be 6 months pregnant during the future tour, this is all N/A...

So the article is true. Nice job.