The Intelligence Community on Obama!

[saltwn]

Originally Posted by Oftencold

Actually Kerry trashed his own service when he felt that it would serve him to do so. Remember his freakish testimony, and fake performance when he threw away somebody elese's medals?

Then when he wanted to appear respectable to functional adults again, hen tried to disinter his respectability and service record.

If you're talking about his testimony as a young veteran about how useless the war was that was one of the most riveting moments in history. The reason Republicans have taught you to hate it is because they wanted that sh*t to go on forever to reap the bountiful rewards from ear marks, lobbyists and gun runners.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Gee let's get unmoored from reality so we can pretend the previous President wouldn't have gone after UBL if he knew where he was hiding.
The only reason Obama had the option of getting Usama was the years of intelligence work srarted under Bush.

I'm sorry, but you SERIOUSLY CANNOT even mention Bush's name in this context for ANY pretense of credit.
Bush OPENLY STATED he did not care where Osama bin Laden was, and the right (in their typical partisan factor) didn't give crap one about that...

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Notice the time stamps on those quotes too.
2002.

[AZRWinger]

Originally Posted by foundit66

I'm sorry, but you SERIOUSLY CANNOT even mention Bush's name in this context for ANY pretense of credit.
Bush OPENLY STATED he did not care where Osama bin Laden was, and the right (in their typical partisan factor) didn't give crap one about that...

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Notice the time stamps on those quotes too.
2002.

Fact is the intelligence work that led to finding Osama began under Bush. The lead that gave the clue of the messenger name was unearthed as part of Bush's interrogation program.

Fact is Bush created the organization used to hunt down and kill Osama.

Bush deserves a lot of credit for getting Osama. There is no rational argument for claiming Bush deserves no credit.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Fact is the intelligence work that led to finding Osama began under Bush. The lead that gave the clue of the messenger name was unearthed as part of Bush's interrogation program.
Fact is Bush created the organization used to hunt down and kill Osama.
Bush deserves a lot of credit for getting Osama. There is no rational argument for claiming Bush deserves no credit.

I never said "deserves no credit".
I'm saying that you should NOT try to talk about Bush and credit.
The system ran under Bush on auto-pilot
He deserves no credit for simply sitting in the chair while others did their job DESPITE the fact that Bush did not care.
He didn't actively obstruct. That's what he should get credit for...
The credit he should get involves credit for the U.S. NOT getting him under Bush's watch, cause Bush was "truly not that concerned about him".
He has more credit AGAINST than for...

Obama's the one who stuck his neck out (politically) on this one.
If this had gone wrong, you guys would have roasted Obama alive.

Bush retracted his neck and pretended bin Laden wasn't an issue.
You're not even going to comment on Bush's quotes, are you?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

If Obama had said that, you guys would have roasted him alive as well...

[Comet]

Originally Posted by foundit66

The credit he should get involves credit for the U.S. NOT getting him under Bush's watch, cause Bush was "truly not that concerned about him".

It mystifies me to no end those on the left scream "out of context" a hundred times a day when people quote Obama, but apparently relax their standards quite a bit and throw that line out the window when it comes to still using this old, debunked, cliche line by Bush.

Works both ways. You either possess a standard where you take people by their literal word or in context. This is not a buffet where you pick and choose. Apply your standards to both sides.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by Comet

It mystifies me to no end those on the left scream "out of context" a hundred times a day when people quote Obama, but apparently relax their standards quite a bit and throw that line out the window when it comes to still using this old, debunked, cliche line by Bush.
Works both ways. You either possess a standard where you take people by their literal word or in context. This is not a buffet where you pick and choose. Apply your standards to both sides.

Please show me the context of Bush's statements which exonerates him.

The context is the same as the quote.
Bush is NOT being taken out of context.

HERE is the context.

Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube

Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube

There's tons more out of that speech which was beyond stupid.
"marginalized"?
"destroyed"???
To pretend bin Laden and his network was something we could disregard at this stage is unbelievable.

[40yearfan]

Originally Posted by foundit66

Please show me the context of Bush's statements which exonerates him.

The context is the same as the quote.
Bush is NOT being taken out of context.

HERE is the context.
Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube
There's tons more out of that speech which was beyond stupid.
"marginalized"?
"destroyed"???
To pretend bin Laden and his network was something we could disregard at this stage is unbelievable.

In that case, then I guess we can rely on this from Obama:

FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years - YouTube

FLASHBACK: Obama: My Presidency Will Be 'A One-Term Proposition' If Economy Doesn't Turn In 3 Years - YouTube

[WallyWager]

Thing is, from three years ago to today, it did turn around.

Care to address Bush's comments?

[AZRWinger]

Originally Posted by foundit66

I never said "deserves no credit".
I'm saying that you should NOT try to talk about Bush and credit.
The system ran under Bush on auto-pilot
He deserves no credit for simply sitting in the chair while others did their job DESPITE the fact that Bush did not care.
He didn't actively obstruct. That's what he should get credit for...
The credit he should get involves credit for the U.S. NOT getting him under Bush's watch, cause Bush was "truly not that concerned about him".
He has more credit AGAINST than for...

Obama's the one who stuck his neck out (politically) on this one.
If this had gone wrong, you guys would have roasted Obama alive.

Bush retracted his neck and pretended bin Laden wasn't an issue.
You're not even going to comment on Bush's quotes, are you?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

If Obama had said that, you guys would have roasted him alive as well...

Bush was canny enough not to increase Osama's prestige by making him the top priority. Meanwhile the search went on tracking down the messenger. Pray tell why did Osama live in that house for years relying on hand carried messages without a phone or internet connection if he wasn't worried about US intelligence catching up to him under Bush and Obama.

There is no credible case to be made for the idea that Bush wouldn't have struck if the intelligence had been available. Human intelligence takes time to develop no matter how high a priority.

[foundit66]

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Bush was canny enough not to increase Osama's prestige by making him the top priority.

Wow dude.
It is AMAZING how you guys will wiggle and squirm to excuse Bush's comments.

Osama's "prestige" should never have been a concern. If you seriously think this was about "prestige", then you are seriously deluding yourself.

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Meanwhile the search went on tracking down the messenger. Pray tell why did Osama live in that house for years relying on hand carried messages without a phone or internet connection if he wasn't worried about US intelligence catching up to him under Bush and Obama.

Osama's caution isn't the issue here.
Bush saying that Osama and al Qaeda were "marginalized" / "destroyed"???
THAT is the matter at hand.

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

There is no credible case to be made for the idea that Bush wouldn't have struck if the intelligence had been available. Human intelligence takes time to develop no matter how high a priority.

The issue at hand is Bush's own words

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Are you saying Bush was a liar?