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Bush made 170 recess appointments, Reagan made more.

I guess it's OK when Republicans do it though.
ZERO were made when the Senate was still in session...Both pro forma AND not in pro forma...

Obama has four...That's four more than EVERY other president COMBINED...

Math uses facts...They're not partisan...
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ZERO were made when the Senate was still in session...Both pro forma AND not in pro forma...

Obama has four...That's four more than EVERY other president COMBINED...

Math uses facts...They're not partisan...
The Senate was not in session...according to the Senate Majority Leader.
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Oh, and this is definitely a victory for everyone. The American People want the graft and greed in our banking sector put to an end. Deregulation is partly to blame for the mess we are in. I REALLY hope The Republicans try to fight this, it will just show that their allegiance, as always, is with the fat cats on Wall Street instead of American Consumers...now that should play really well in November.
Not only, false, but the simple fact is that you want this game played by Obama because of which party wins and which party loses irrelevant to the damage being done to government procedure and balance of powers between branches...

That doesn't anger me...That's just saddening...
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Not only, false, but the simple fact is that you want this game played by Obama because of which party wins and which party loses irrelevant to the damage being done to government procedure and balance of powers between branches...

That doesn't anger me...That's just saddening...
For 3 years The Republicans have thwarted nearly every piece of legislation and even the lowliest cabinet positions with a threat of a filibuster. Mitch McConnell said it all when he stated "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

. It is clear who has America's best interests, and it is not The Republicans....and I think Americans know that and will vote accordingly in November.

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The Senate was not in session...according to the Senate Majority Leader.
OK...let's use that logic and see how you can possibly believe him...

Did you know that the recent payroll tax extension was passed in the very same pro forma session?...

How could that be?????????????????...

Democrats Passed Payroll Tax Extension During ‘Pro Forma’ Session on Dec. 23

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor during a “pro forma” session on Dec. 23 to pass a two-month extension to the payroll tax. President Barack Obama, however, this week claimed that a pro forma session means the Senate is practically in recess, opening the door for him to make appointments whenever he deems the Senate is out of session.

In justifying the appointments made on Wednesday, Jan. 4, while the Senate was in pro forma session, Obama spokesman Dan Pfeiffer said that the Senate was “effectively” in recess because “no Senate business is conducted.”

However, the Senate did conduct business during a pro forma session, with Majority Leader Reid leading the unanimous consent proceeding to pass the two-month payroll tax extension.


“During today’s pro forma [session], the Senate entered an agreement to pass a bill providing for a 2-month extension of the reduced payroll tax,” a summary on the Senate Democrats’ Web site says.

Reid went to the floor and made the following statement, asking that when the House passed the compromise two-month extension that it be considered as passed in the Senate as well.

“I ask unanimous consent that if the House passes, and sends to the Senate, a bill which is identical to the text which is at the desk,” Reid said Dec. 23, “the bill be considered read three times and passed.”
So you want to believe Reid when he says that pro forma sessions are a recess, but AT THE SAME TIME, you want to believe that a Senate passed a tax extension bill during a pro forma session...

How could the Senate pass a bill in recess?...(Answer, of course...They didn't...it WASN'T in recess)...
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How could the Senate pass a bill in recess?...(Answer, of course...They didn't...it WASN'T in recess)...
An addendum to my previous post...

I just read more on it...

Please read the bolded section....PLEASE...

The White House Is Wrong — The Senate Conducted Business During Its ‘Recess’

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In that pro forma session, Reid received unanimous consent and the two-month extension of the payroll tax break that had caused such a political commotion in Washington was considered read and passed in the Senate after the House acted. That’s not a “gimmick.” That’s legislating.

That same CR for the Dec. 23 pro forma session records a series of other business actions taken by the Senate. The president pro tempore signed several enrolled bills. Other senators were designated as members of a conference committee to negotiate with the House over disagreements to H.R. 3630. The minority leader even made appointments to the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, pursuant to 22 U.S.C. § 7002.

Contrary to White House assertions, the Senate unquestionably conducted actual business during at least one of its supposedly pro forma sessions. This simple fact makes President Obama’s actions even more indefensible.

The president’s ends don’t justify his means. Politics should not trump the principle that we – and particularly the president – operate under the rule of law and the bounds of the Constitution. When a president disregards the facts and shows such contempt for this principle, it is more than disappointing, it threatens the foundations of our republic. Leaders who believe they need not abide by the rules and the law have led more than one republic down the road to tyranny.
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OK...let's use that logic and see how you can possibly believe him...

Did you know that the recent payroll tax extension was passed in the very same pro forma session?...

How could that be?????????????????...

Democrats Passed Payroll Tax Extension During ‘Pro Forma’ Session on Dec. 23



So you want to believe Reid when he says that pro forma sessions are a recess, but AT THE SAME TIME, you want to believe that a Senate passed a tax extension bill during a pro forma session...

How could the Senate pass a bill in recess?...(Answer, of course...They didn't...it WASN'T in recess)...
Then why wait until after the recess to take up the issue of the debt ceiling?

Ahhh, see, seems Mr. Obama found a loophole, and I am glad he did.

Let Mitch McConnell pursue legal action if he is so inclined...wanna bet he doesn't?
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Then why wait until after the recess to take up the issue of the debt ceiling?

Ahhh, see, seems Mr. Obama found a loophole, and I am glad he did.
I'll say it again...

There...was...no...recess...

You don't answer questions by asking a different one unrelated to the original...

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So you want to believe Reid when he says that pro forma sessions are a recess, but AT THE SAME TIME, you want to believe that a Senate passed a tax extension bill during a pro forma session...

How could the Senate pass a bill in recess?...
I gave my answer...haven't heard yours yet...

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Let Mitch McConnell pursue legal action if he is so inclined...wanna bet he doesn't?
With 1 year left on the term, it's irrelevant...If done in the first year, definitely...

But 13 months from now, I'll make a bet that you, the Dems, and the media (redundancy alert), will be HOWLING MAD if a Republican president does this and says "Hey...Obama did it!"...

We saw it when the Dems filibustered everything under Bush (Good for them!) and then cried when the Republicans returned the favor (Bad! Evil!)

We saw it when the Dems invented the pro forma sessions under Bush (Good for them!) and then cried when the Republicans returned the favor (Bad! Evil!)

We will see the same if/when this happens...Then, all of a sudden, you'll all jump to MY SIDE (And "No"...I won't jump to yours...I'd find it equally appalling)...
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I don't know how you consider this a victory for Democrats...This hurts the country...Maybe "victory for Democrats" is more important...

So tell me this...

If nominations are supposed to be confirmed by the Senate, but you believe that that can be bypassed with "The Obama Rule", then WHEN does the Senate ever get to confirm an appointee?...

According to this stupid logic, ANY president can simply have EVERY position in an administration go unfulfilled until the second the Senate goes into a pro forma session, then simply install 500 people all at once and hold those positions for a year...all both unelected AND unconfirmed...

You don't consider that a dictatorship?...You don't consider that an abuse of power?...You don't consider that detrimental to the balance of powers between branches?...

Or is it only OK when it's your guy?...
Well, as you know, the minority party can and very often does block an up or down vote in the senate for nominations. I guess there might be many reasons that the party that's out of power would do this. It is always a political game...a power struggle. These games aren't always good for the country, but they are played anyway.

In this case, the repubs don't want consumers being protected from the big money entities that might make major bucks taking advantage of the regular Joe/Jane. Therefore, they object to the appointment of anyone to the agency that would cost their friends money. No head of agency=ineffectual agency.

Since the leader of the senate repubs publically declared the primary intent of the republican party is to make Obama a one term prez, blocking this nomination is paramount to their desired end since the consumer protection would be popular with the consumers (read voters).

It's all part of the political game...and you know it. Obama won this round.
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I'll say it again...

There...was...no...recess...

You don't answer questions by asking a different one unrelated to the original...

I gave my answer...haven't heard yours yet...

With 1 year left on the term, it's irrelevant...If done in the first year, definitely...

But 13 months from now, I'll make a bet that you, the Dems, and the media (redundancy alert), will be HOWLING MAD if a Republican president does this and says "Hey...Obama did it!"...

We saw it when the Dems filibustered everything under Bush (Good for them!) and then cried when the Republicans returned the favor (Bad! Evil!)

We saw it when the Dems invented the pro forma sessions under Bush (Good for them!) and then cried when the Republicans returned the favor (Bad! Evil!)

We will see the same if/when this happens...Then, all of a sudden, you'll all jump to MY SIDE (And "No"...I won't jump to yours...I'd find it equally appalling)...
Nice try, the threat of filibusters skyrocketed with the 110th congress which ushered in The Republican minority and has kept up at a steady pace....additionally, 63 of Obama's appointments were held up with delay tactics for more than 3 months in his first year, by comparison, Bush had 3 of his appointments held up for that amount of time.

President Obama has faced more obstructionism than any president in modern history.....

That is a fact.
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