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Old 11-29-2010, 03:17 PM
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A couple of points...

First, it's NOT a pay freeze...

It's a freeze on the inflation costs calculated from year to year...raises are still in...

Second, civil servants work on a grade scale...If they are maxed out at their current level, all theirs bosses have to do is promote them to the next level up...

Expect that in the next two years...there will be articles saying "the people who have jumped in the GS levels increased like never before!"...
Let's hope that isn't the case.

I'm all for this and will give credit where it is due.
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:17 PM
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A couple of points...

First, it's NOT a pay freeze...

It's a freeze on the inflation costs calculated from year to year...raises are still in...

Second, civil servants work on a grade scale...If they are maxed out at their current level, all theirs bosses have to do is promote them to the next level up...

Expect that in the next two years...there will be articles saying "the people who have jumped in the GS levels increased like never before!"...
I don't know about other services, but GS in nursing is tied directly to education. bachelor degree RNs are higher than aids, LPNs and 3 or 2 yr RNs.
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:26 PM
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Obama calls for 2-year freeze on federal pay - Yahoo! News

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President Barack Obama on Monday proposed a two-year freeze of the salaries of some 2 million federal workers, trying to seize the deficit-cutting initiative from Republicans with a sudden, dramatic stroke. Though signaling White House concern over record deficits, the freeze would make only a tiny dent in annual deficits or the nation's $14 trillion debt.

"Small businesses and families are tightening their belts," Obama said in brief remarks at the White House. "The government should, too." The administration said the plan was designed to save more than $5 billion over the first two years.

The proposal, which must be approved by Congress, would not apply to the military, but it would affect all others on the Executive Branch payroll. It would not affect members of Congress or their staffs, defense contractors, postal workers or federal court judges and workers.
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"Meaningful deficit deduction cannot be achieved through a piecemeal approach to trimming federal spending," Hoyer said. Active members of the military "serving in harm's way" should be exempt, he said, but he questioned the wisdom of leaving out military members in noncombat roles while subjecting their civilian counterparts to the freeze.
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Congress, not covered by Obama's new freeze plans as separate branch of government, froze its pay last April, with House and Senate votes to forgo an automatic $1,600 annual cost of living increase.

House members and senators are paid $174,000 a year. Their last pay increase was $4,700 a year at beginning of 2009. The president's pay of $400,000 a year was fixed by Congress in January 2001 and has not changed since then.

The co-chairmen of Obama's bipartisan deficit commission, Republican Alan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles, have proposed a three-year freeze in pay for most federal employees as part of their plan to reduce the nation's growing deficit.
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It's a start...
Of course there are exemptions again.
Other than the military I don't see a need for any exemptions.
I would also let Mr. Hoyer know that the military is likely making less than their civilian counterparts.
  • a first year enlistee will make less than $18,000
  • even an E7 with 18 years of service will make less than $50,000
  • a first year officer will make less than $33,000
  • even an O5 with 10 years of service at less than $79,000 a year is still less than the average federal civilian worker at more than $81,000
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Not a start, but symbolism over substance. If he wanted to make a new start and show he really meant something he would have rolled back their pay by 25%.
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A double edged sword. We want the government to be efficient, but we aren't willing to pay for such efficiency...

Rolling back pay is a bad idea. A full audit and supervisor check is important.
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A double edged sword. We want the government to be efficient, but we aren't willing to pay for such efficiency...

Rolling back pay is a bad idea. A full audit and supervisor check is important.
If being paid a great salary is proof of efficiency then the American people got short changed.
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That's all well and good, but I want to see the total $$ spent on employing fed. employees go down. This is a good step, but it can be easily overshadowed by increased hiring, increased pay through promotions (as has been pointed out) and increasing benefits. If the last two years are any indication, we most likely won't be seeing any big drop in total cost of employment for federal employees.
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If being paid a great salary is proof of efficiency then the American people got short changed.
You cannot attract someone capable of doing the job properly without adequate compensation and we want someone capable of doing the job not only properly, but well...
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You cannot attract someone capable of doing the job properly without adequate compensation and we want someone capable of doing the job not only properly, but well...
Then we really did get screwed, I don't know of many government workers who do their job adequately or efficiently.
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Then we really did get screwed, I don't know of many government workers who do their job adequately or efficiently.
Nor are they encouraged to do so. That doesn't mean that the government isn't necessary for certain functions. It means that we must do better to ensure transparency and oversight.
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