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No it's not. We've made great strides against cancer for example. The same crap that killed my mother at 27 today... she'd of had a fighting chance.



Where do you get the idea I think we shouldn't try? I questioned why the huge investment into HIV/AIDS when it's fairly easy to avoid contracting the virus. You can't cure a virus, and Vaccines for HIV have failed at every turn because the damned thing is quite nasty.
Yes, you're questioning it right there. Because it's failed in the past, let's not try, that's what you've just said. But I suppose you'll say that you DIDN'T say what you just said, or that we should interpret it differently somehow.
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Wasting billions on something one can avoid with a little personal responsibility and not funding research into diseases which we might actually find cures for, oh and coincidentally cannot be avoid through action as a general rule is immoral.
It's not a simple thing of "a little personal responsibility", as I said, it only takes one person to get it. I suppose that because it hits gay people the most that it's ok to just let 'em die eh?
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Your example has far more to do with hematology and genetics, than it does with immunology.

But by the rationale I used above, if public funds were used to finance the research used to treat the rare condition mentioned, it was not money well spent, based upon a brutally honest assessment of the best use of limited resources.
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Your example has far more to do with hematology and genetics, than it does with immunology.

But by the rationale I used above, if public funds were used to finance the research used to treat the rare condition mentioned, it was not money well spent, based upon a brutally honest assessment of the best use of limited resources.
AIDS/HIV isn't a rare condition.
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Yes, you're questioning it right there. Because it's failed in the past, let's not try, that's what you've just said. But I suppose you'll say that you DIDN'T say what you just said, or that we should interpret it differently somehow.
I'm being practical and logical, you are being emotional.
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It's not a simple thing of "a little personal responsibility",
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How do you arrive at that conclusion? It is that simple, it requires people think a little before they act... scary I know.

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as I said, it only takes one person to get it.
So choose whom you sleep with very carefully.
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I suppose that because it hits gay people the most that it's ok to just let 'em die eh?
Oh, you're losing the debate so now out comes the race card... oh I KNOW you used Gays, but not once have I mentioned gay people, not once have I shown any hate towards anyone, I merely ask why we throw so many billions after a disease that is avoidable and cannot be cured when there are so many other places to invest research into.

But now you've gone and ruined the thread. You've shown the TRUTH about AIDS money, it's a guilt project that gets great PR and anytime someone questions it all you have to do is say they hate gays to win.

That might work elsewhere, but not with me bud.
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AIDS/HIV isn't a rare condition.
It's also almost 100% avoidable.
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AIDS/HIV isn't a rare condition.
Compared to cancer, heart disease, and asthma? It's not much more than a statistical blip. I've by no means led a sheltered life, but to my knowledge while I've known many people with the first three conditions, I've never known anyone other than my patients with the last.
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I'm being practical and logical, you are being emotional.
Yeah, I'm emotional--I get that way when right wingers try to use semantics to say something without saying something--so they can't be called out on any of their positions directly.

You have pretty clearly stated that because we haven't gotten any significant results, that we should give up working on it, that we should give up trying to not only find the cure, but that we shouldn't even try for the vaccine.

Many of the most challenging things can take a lot of time and resources to tackle. As Debateman has said, this research helps more than just AIDS patients.

Yes, cancer research should be up higher than HIV research, but it doesn't mean we should drop HIV/AIDS research.
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Yeah, I'm emotional--I get that way when right wingers try to use semantics to say something without saying something--so they can't be called out on any of their positions directly.

You have pretty clearly stated that because we haven't gotten any significant results, that we should give up working on it, that we should give up trying to not only find the cure, but that we shouldn't even try for the vaccine.

Many of the most challenging things can take a lot of time and resources to tackle. As Debateman has said, this research helps more than just AIDS patients.

Yes, cancer research should be up higher than HIV research, but it doesn't mean we should drop HIV/AIDS research.
Can you point to where I said give up or quit?

I didn't. I said we spend TOO MUCH and should spend more in other areas. I never once said anything about stopping research, funding or the like. Perhaps your problems begin with you, reading things I never wrote nor implied just so you can get all huffy and emotional.
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Can you point to where I said give up or quit?

I didn't. I said we spend TOO MUCH and should spend more in other areas. I never once said anything about stopping research, funding or the like. Perhaps your problems begin with you, reading things I never wrote nor implied just so you can get all huffy and emotional.
This is semantics again though:

It's like someone stating that all communists should be thrown out of the government, and then when asked "why do you want communists banned from the government" they say "I never said they should be banned, I said they should be thrown out." as if there's any real difference between the two.

You clearly stated that a vaccine and a cure for AIDS are virtually impossible and that we should spend money on other things. If that doesn't mean that you think we should drop funding for AIDS, I don't know what to say.
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Can you point to where I said give up or quit?

I didn't. I said we spend TOO MUCH and should spend more in other areas. I never once said anything about stopping research, funding or the like.
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