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Give us an example of a "fair minded" criticism of Obama. Give us two or three.
He hasn't used all of his magic dust on the economy yet...
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And at what point along the way, precisely, did President Obama attempt to give us that New Day in American politics--even in the nascent weeks of his presidency?
Precisely ?? I don't recall a time before or after he took office when the opposite side of the aisle indicated they wanted a New Day in American politics. The few Republicans who did chose to vote in favor of Obama's agenda did so begrudgingly because they were labeled as traitors by the party faithful, as well as the party leaders.

On a side note I can see why the Republican party has the nickname GOP. The Grand Old Party has shown that they are perfectly content with the old way of thinking. This New Day in American politics you referred to isn't a concept that the Right is willing to embrace if it means thinking outside the box.

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Oh, those mean old Republicans, who had the temerity to oppose President Obama's continuous hard-left turns...
I don't think mean is an accurate description of Republican's attitude where Obama's proposals past and present are concerned. I'd call it being vindictive. They haven't got over the results of the last election cycle, and neither have their supporters.

If Obama has taken as hard of a turn to the left as you're suggesting I would expect the hard left to be more content than what they are right now.
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Give us an example of a "fair minded" criticism of Obama. Give us two or three.
The constitutional law professor does not know that ex post facto laws are illegal:

"We need to help struggling borrowers to weather this storm. One way to protect innocent homeowners - at least until this crisis passes - is to establish a fund to help people refinance or sell to avoid foreclosure. We can partially pay for this fund by imposing penalties on lenders that acted irresponsibly or committed fraud."
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He used worse language than the Neocons:

“It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world’s most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.” (Remarks of Senator Barack Obama The War We Need to Win Wednesday, August 1, 2007)
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/events/docs/obamasp0807.pdf

“we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;” Statement of Principles

After ten thousand times of that being shoved in my face… EAT IT “LIBERALS”

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He supported continuing the containment that his Million Man marching buddy warned about:

"But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

"Obama advanced a racist argument for attacks on Iran and Pakistan. Making a comparison between the 'Islamic world' and the Soviet Union, he argued that the religious outlook of Iranians and Pakistanis made them less prone to compromise and reason and more warlike.

He said: 'With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don’t want to be blown up, we don’t want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain. I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don’t make those same calculations.'”
Democratic keynote speaker Barack Obama calls for missile strikes on Iran

"Farrakhan urged Clinton to oppose the sanctions the way he resisted the Vietnam War. 'President Bill Clinton, in your youth, you had the moral courage to oppose the war in Vietnam,' he said. 'Would you want history to write (that) you were the killer of babies through sanctions? Where is your courage today?'" South News Dec 12 1997

September, 16th, 2001: "Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permitted America the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.

Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself. For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself." (Louis Farrakhan)

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That is three from before he got elected, not to mention the idiotic civilian national security force just as well funded and as powerful as our military pie.

Not demanding Congress do its job and spend stimulus on a Manhattan project on cleaner energy and a Hoover or TWA type thingy, instead of helping people who do not need any help buy new SUV's.

Not demanding Congress to do its job and do away with the Bush Tax cuts that were not needed to deal with the irrational exuberance market correction.

Not demanding Congress pass laws that demand business be able to plug a hole in a timely manner. Just telling BP to plug the hole is stupid.

Not demanding Congress pass laws that forbid too many foreign flag ships from doing business here, and encouraging our own ship building and registry. Oh, wait, someone will blame it on the unions as if European countries do not have them.

Not demanding Congress pass laws to take ALL the property of those people and corporations who knowingly hire illegal aliens, and have those Americans hung by the neck until dead as traitors.

Not demanding Congress get the statistics to determine if the rich are paying their fair share of what wealth they want government to protect, to counter the claim that the rich pay more taxes or more than a fair share.

Too many to name, because it would look bad for Republicans and Tea Party members (who do not know of Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson's progressive taxes that the end of the "Death Tax" would make us more French like for a future Reign of Obamanation Terror), as according to Ali Abunimah, "He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power."
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Give us an example of a "fair minded" criticism of Obama. Give us two or three.
Easy.
His campaign promise of "No lobbyists will have a job in the WH." was broken so fast that it should have been embarrassing to anyone who voted for him.

or...

The repeated failure to get qualified appointees into critical positions.

or...

The blatant cronyism he is showing in his appointments (take a look at how many of his appointees are either from the Chicago political arena or from Harvard).


These are just off the top of my head. Issues that are irrefutably at his feet and wrong from any honest perspective.
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And at what point along the way, precisely, did President Obama attempt to give us that New Day in American politics--even in the nascent weeks of his presidency?
The question here was simply about Obama...Now watch this...

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Precisely ?? I don't recall a time before or after he took office when the opposite side of the aisle indicated they wanted a New Day in American politics. The few Republicans who did chose to vote in favor of Obama's agenda did so begrudgingly because they were labeled as traitors by the party faithful, as well as the party leaders.

On a side note I can see why the Republican party has the nickname GOP. The Grand Old Party has shown that they are perfectly content with the old way of thinking. This New Day in American politics you referred to isn't a concept that the Right is willing to embrace if it means thinking outside the box.
Obama references?....ZERO

Republican references?...NINE

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Precisely ?? I don't recall a time before or after he took office when the opposite side of the aisle indicated they wanted a New Day in American politics.
Translation: At no time did very many Republicans in office abandon their principles, and embrace the leftist aganda of President Obama...

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This New Day in American politics you referred to isn't a concept that the Right is willing to embrace if it means thinking outside the box.
Some people might interpret the weasel words, "thinking outside of the box," as a euphemism for embracing progressivist ideology...

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I don't think mean is an accurate description of Republican's attitude where Obama's proposals past and present are concerned. I'd call it being vindictive. They haven't got over the results of the last election cycle, and neither have their supporters.
So to continue to oppose progressivism is simply "vindictive," and an indication that one has not "got over the results of the last election cycle," in your opinion?

There is simply no room for a principled opposition to progressivist doctrine, in your mind?

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If Obama has taken as hard of a turn to the left as you're suggesting I would expect the hard left to be more content than what they are right now.
Well, he certainly veered hard left on healthcare (even to the point of his ignoring the wishes of the clear majority, who oppose ObamaCare).

He has continually apologized to others for America's behavior over recent years--actually, I believe groveled is the word I am searching for--while hoping to curry favor with our enemies by making nice to them.

He has shown the same fetish for bailouts that his predecessor was also afflicted with.

He has rejected Austrian economics in favor of unabashed Keynesianism.

I could go on and on...

But if you truly do not believe that President Obama has taken a hard left turn--more so than any other president, of either party, within my lifetime (and I am 62)--there is probably nothing I could say that might disabuse you of that faith...
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Give us an example of a "fair minded" criticism of Obama. Give us two or three.
He undertook a complete overhaul of the healthcare system in America, using some rather questionable tactics (such as Reconciliation; and disingenuous numbers fed to the CBO, so that it would appear to place its imprimatur upon ObamaCare).

He continued George W. Bush's odious policy of issuing taxpayer-sponsored bailouts to companies he deemed "too big to fail."

He tried to ingratiate himself with seniors by handing out $250 bonus checks to those on Social Security.

He has ignored The First Rule of Holes--whenever you are in one, stop digging!--by spending enormous sums that we simply do not have, in order to "prime the pump" (according to undiluted Keynesian doctrine).

And there are plenty more criticisms that I could make.

But those should do, for openers...
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But if you truly do not believe that President Obama has taken a hard left turn--more so than any other president, of either party, within my lifetime (and I am 62)--there is probably nothing I could say that might disabuse you of that faith...
Yea, there doesn't seem to be much more to say so I'll leave it at that. I had every intention of answering your questions but I see that I was offending someone by mentioning Republicans so I'll move on.
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