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So you can't eh.
I swear.
Do you understand English?

There is nothing to reconcile.
No need.


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"I don't take options off the table when it comes to U.S. security, period."
Reconcile that one.
'We pledge not to use them until we decide we need to use them'
You guys complain WAYYY too much.
You've lost sight of complaints WITH SUBSTANCE.

Are nukes off the table?
Yes or no?


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Great. We have policies that we don't stand by. So how is that a policy?
I swear.
You guys byatch coming and going.

A minute ago you were complaining that you thought we couldn't use nukes in those situations.
NOW you're complaining that we can...


Anti-Obama fever...


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It seems to me a 'whim' of the current President, that he has no intention of sticking to based on whatever may happen ever.

It's funny how you get so many things so COMPLETELY wrong.
It is obviously a policy he is intending to stick to, but he leaves reservations for extenuating circumstances.

What the heck is wrong with people that they can't recognize that?


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Every time you mention Jon Stewart you get yourself to Jerry Lewis levels just a little bit more...
In your eyes?
Meh...


I already recognize that I am diminished in your eyes because I'm not foaming at the mouth against Obama.
And the fact that a comedian has more facts than you ...
And you think that denigrates ME because I am listening to somebody who has more facts than you...

If Jon Stewart is such a negative factor and he knows more than you, what does that make you?


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Stop worshiping ...
Some people like to laugh.
Crazy liberals.

Conservatives, on the other hand, prefer to have their entertainment scare them and make them mad...


I'll stick to mine, thank you very much!


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What YOU can't wrap your head around is that there is NOT an 'anti-Obama' fervor, there is a majority of this country that objects to actions he has taken.
"object to"?
There are actions he has done that is not in line with the majority.

But unlike some people, I don't see that as a reason to foam at the mouth and proclaim others that don't share your hatred of Obama as some mental or moral defect...


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I agree that we shouldn't put war criminals to trial in US civilian courts. I agree that Gitmo high intelligence detainees shouldn't be transferred to US federal prisions. I agree that we should abide by the agreement to withdrawl troops from Iraq on the timetable set as long as the situation remains the same. I agree that Iran and Syria should not be alllowed to develop nuclear grade uranium.
Do I agree with his tactics for achieving all of that? No, but in principle we agree.
Was that so tough?

Now you realize that if I were practicing your tactics I would turn around and attack you cause you chose the "conservative" issues for agreeing with him...


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I disagree. I do believe that the majority of his policies are harmful to the nation. It is my right to believe so and my right to oppose those policies.
First of all, nice attempt at back-peddling.
You didn't say "majority of his policies".

You said: "If all of someone's actions are harmful to the nation how is it a stretch to conclude the intent was to cause harm?"

And quite frankly, the "right to believe so" is the tactic of people who cannot defend their position, so instead they fall back to the ground where they can avoid having to defend their position...


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A majority of the nation rejects mandatory health insurance. Wrap your head around that for a change.
See?
This is where you can't be reasoned with.
You AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME my position instead of bothering to ask me or figure out what it is.

I have serious reservations about "mandatory health insurance" as well.
But don't let reality stop you from bashing me for a position I don't have...


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You have to deal with me just as much as I have to deal with you. Please, never forget that.
It's not your POLITICAL position that is the problem, but rather your rabid attitude on the issue.
You refuse to listen.
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Old 04-14-2010, 12:21 AM
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foundit, STFU.

You bitch about personal attacks but do nothing other than personally attack.

You do what you harp and moan about and have the arrogance to simply ignore that fact.

I asked earlier but you're not willing to change the civility of the discourse. So be it. The bully pulpit is yours, have at it.

This is the part where you say something stupid about how you 'won' based on blah, blah, blah reason. Don't let that opportunity escape you.
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Sorry ... but if you can't see how this is getting juvenile than I simply am at a loss for words.

You win.
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Here's an interesting article relevant to this thread:


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Tuesday, April 13, 2010

The Defense of Self and Nations
by Mike Adams



Whom would you rather have protecting your family and nation? Rambo? Or Bambi? – Jason Mattera, author of Obama Zombies.
With each passing day it's become easier and easier to doubt the depth of Barack Obama's Christian faith. If we put aside his outright hostility towards Israel there is another glaring clue that reveals his personal worldview as one fundamentally at odds with the Judeo-Christian worldview. Obama revealed that clue with an announcement regarding a new defensive strategy for dealing with non-nuclear nations.
The notion of stating up front that the U.S. will not use nuclear weapons in response to a biological or chemical attack at the hands of a non-nuclear nation is predicated upon the liberal assumption that making nice promises assures that others will reciprocate by behaving nicely. But those with a realistic view of human nature realize such a strategy makes about as much sense as promising to levy a petty fine in response to grand larceny. It also makes as much sense as reserving the punishment of death for the taking of a life and withdrawing it for “lesser” crimes like rape.
Of course, it isn’t enough to criticize the president for his naiveté without offering clear instructions on how to deal with dangerous enemies. So I would like to offer some advice based on my experiences in dealing with unhinged liberals who read my columns and mistakenly assume that threats of violence will deter me from exercising my constitutional rights.
1. A man must always make his enemies aware of his defensive capabilities.
Several months ago, a man whom we will call Steve – because that is, in fact, his name – emailed me in response to one of my columns, which dealt with bi-polar disorder. I argued that a lot of people who claim to be bi-polar use the illness to excuse behaviors that arise from a simple lack of self-control. Steve, who suffers from bi-polar disorder, responded by saying “I will kill you.” I responded by listing the full range of guns in my arsenal and then asking him which gun he would like me to point at him when he attempted to kill me.
2. A man must always make his enemies aware of his willingness to use his defensive capabilities.
After I emailed Steve – a 41-year old who resides in Topeka, Kansas – with a detailed list of my defensive capabilities I asked him a very polite question. Specifically, I asked him how he would prefer to be incapacitated in the event that he made an attempt on my life. I politely offered him the choice between a quick shot to the cranium or a shot to the midsection, which might prove to be a slower and more painful way of incapacitating him. I noted, of course, that the latter option would reduce the chances of collateral damage. That’s an important liberal consideration I wished to accommodate fully.
3. A man must always communicate to his enemy the course of action required to avoid a potentially lethal confrontation.
After Steve was given the choice of a head shot and a body shot (in defensive response to an attempt on my life) he wisely responded with the following: “I let my anger get the best of me. I am sorry.”

That really proved my point about people with bi-polar disorder. There is no excuse for making threats on people’s lives – even if you suffer from such an illness. And medication is not the only thing that can be used to check the behavior of someone suffering from mental illness. That should provide “hope” for a president wishing to “change” the behavior of the presidents of Iran and North Korea.
I concluded my discussion with Steve by telling him, not asking him, that he would never under any circumstances communicate with me again – now that I had employed the services of an internet security expert to identify his name, date of birth, and the precise location from which he issued his threat of violence.
For nearly six months, Steve and I have been at peace. I predict the peace will be long-lasting.
Barack Obama’s father did not stay around to raise him. Instead, the president was raised by a woman who taught him that misunderstandings, being the root of all conflict, can be cured by mere negotiation. The president needs the advice of men with experience in conflict resolution – men who recognize that the world is full of those not interested in peaceful negotiation. I offer this column in the hopes of fulfilling that need.
Let us hope the president takes my advice, which is guaranteed to preserve the peace. Jesus would not have it any other way. He was the Prince of Peace, not the Prince of Appeasement. The two are not the same and should never be confused.
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Sorry ... but if you can't see how this is getting juvenile than I simply am at a loss for words.

You win.
He doesn't win anything on substance. Just ignore Him if you must. Don't empower or encourage Him.

Obama plainly stated that He put NPR over National Defense. That does translate to a violation of Oath to me. What else is new???

Foundit66 supports that. What does it say about him. He needs the red herring to divert from the real focus. The whole argument is tangent. SOP. The only thing it is evidence of is wasted tuition and college loans. How to make down appear as up in 10,000 words or less.
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foundit, STFU.
You bitch about personal attacks but do nothing other than personally attack.
Quite frankly, you are describing your own post to a T.

I am happy to discuss the topic.

In fact, this will be the SECOND time I will have to post to REMIND YOU of what topical aspects I have posted while you complain about other content...


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I asked earlier but you're not willing to change the civility of the discourse. So be it. The bully pulpit is yours, have at it.

Dude.
I am replying to WHAT YOU GIVE ME.

If you can't be honest enough to admit that to me, then at least be honest enough to admit that to yourself.


And now let's cut back to the TOPICAL CONTENT which you're ignoring.
Feel free to continue to ignore what you can't handle...

1) HOW is it that you guys think that complaining that he is restricting nuclear use, and the NEXT minute (after you have been educated that he is leaving an option open) you are complaining that he isn't restricting nuclear use?

2) Claiming "he has no intention on sticking to it" is an absurd comment.
Take marriage as an analogy.
Marriage has an option for divorce, right?
Does that mean that people who got married "have no intention of sticking to" their marriage vows?
Does that mean that people who got married and then divorce "had no intention of sticking to" their marriage vows?

This criticism is just asinine!

3) You stated: "If all of someone's actions are harmful to the nation how is it a stretch to conclude the intent was to cause harm?"
If you're going to backpeddle and just say "some", then at least have the integrity to admit how YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM of "all" of Obama's actions being harmful is just plain rabid anti-Obama-ism.

4) Don't assume my position on things.
You obviously assume that since I don't attack Obama with as much fervor as you do, that means I "worship" him.
The hyperbole of claiming that others who disagree with you ON A POLITICAL ISSUE are somehow "worshipping" Obama is ridiculously insulting.
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Obama plainly stated that He put NPR over National Defense. That does translate to a violation of Oath to me.
Can you please quote exactly what he said?


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Foundit66 supports that.
Can you please quote where I said I supported "Obama putting NPR over National Defense"?


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What does it say about him.
See, THIS is where these discussions go ridiculous.
Well. Even MORE ridiculous.

INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING THE TOPIC, you guys are focusing ON THE PERSON.
Instead of discussing the policy, the tactic you are using is "what does this say about foundit66?"


And you guys pretend I am the one "insulting" as you guys continue with these antics?
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Can you please quote exactly what he said?



Can you please quote where I said I supported "Obama putting NPR over National Defense"?



See, THIS is where these discussions go ridiculous.
Well. Even MORE ridiculous.

INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING THE TOPIC, you guys are focusing ON THE PERSON.
Instead of discussing the policy, the tactic you are using is "what does this say about foundit66?"


And you guys pretend I am the one "insulting" as you guys continue with these antics?
Preventing Nuclear Proliferation and Nuclear Terrorism

Preventing Nuclear Proliferation and Nuclear Terrorism
As a critical element of our effort to move toward a world free of nuclear weapons, the United
States will lead expanded international efforts to rebuild and strengthen the global nuclear nonproliferation
regime – and for the first time, the 2010 NPR places this priority atop the U.S.
nuclear agenda.


http://www.defense.gov/npr/docs/2010...w%20Report.pdf

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What's up with China???? Didn't they get the memo????
They are making the NPR look bad, man! I'm utterly shocked!!!



China sells petrol to Iran while talking at UN about sanctionsChina argues the issue of Iran's uranium enrichment is not as urgent as Washington claims, and that there is still time for diplomacy
(2)Tweet this (33)Julian Borger, diplomatic editor guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 14 April 2010 20.29 BST Article history
China has deepened economic ties with Iran, boosting direct sales of petrol to the Islamic republic as the Chinese government negotiates new sanctions at the UN security council, it has emerged.

Iran announced today at the UN discussions in New York that it has produced five kilograms of 20% enriched uranium, defying security council demands to stop enrichment. Iran says it needs the enriched uranium to make medically useful isotopes, but western governments fear the achievement will enable Tehran to develop the capacity to make weapons-grade fuel.

General James Cartwright, the vice chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said yesterday that Iran could build a bomb in a year, although it would probably take three to five years.

China has argued that the issue is not as urgent as Washington claims, and that there is still time for diplomacy.

A Chinese state oil company has sent two recent shipments of petrol to Iran, according to Reuters news agency. The sale by Chinaoil was the first by a Chinese company since January 2009 of refined oil products to Iran directly, rather than through intermediaries. Another Chinese company, Sinopec, is about to sell petrol to Iran for the first time in six years, filling a gap left by European and Russian firms that left the Iranian market amid fears of punitive action by Washington.

Iran-China trade has more than doubled to about $30 billion (£19.38m) over the past decade, fuelling Chinese reluctance to agree to sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear programme.

Beijing has agreed to discuss a possible sanctions resolution, but has insisted — with Moscow — that any measures are confined to Iran's nuclear sector, and do not cause wider economic damage.

The five permanent members of the security council — the US, China, Russia, Britain and France — discussed draft sanctions yesterday with Germany, which has also played a leading role in negotiations with Tehran.

Another senior US official, William Burns, said that it would be "very difficult" to convince China and Russia to agree to a ban on refined fuel sales.

The US draft sanctions resolution includes a full arms embargo, more restrictions on Iranian banks, curbs on international shipping insurance for Iranian freight, asset freezing and travel restrictions on members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and a ban on new investments in Iran's oil and gas industry. China is currently opposing the ban on energy investments.

"The Chinese are obviously concerned about what ramifications this might have on the economy," President Obama said yesterday after talks with the Chinese president, Hu Jintao. He is hopeful that an agreement can be reached "within weeks".



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Preventing Nuclear Proliferation and Nuclear Terrorism

Preventing Nuclear Proliferation and Nuclear Terrorism
As a critical element of our effort to move toward a world free of nuclear weapons, the United
States will lead expanded international efforts to rebuild and strengthen the global nuclear nonproliferation
regime – and for the first time, the 2010 NPR places this priority atop the U.S. nuclear agenda.

http://www.defense.gov/npr/docs/2010...w%20Report.pdf

Spin away.
Nothing to "spin".

You said "He put NPR over National Defense"

And then, you quote that it is "atop the U.S. nuclear agenda".

National Defense and "nuclear agenda" are two separate things.


You are the one spinning.
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