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Old 09-17-2011, 09:35 AM
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On women's issues, particularly sexual and reproductive issues (which is really all that women have in common: biology), yes, there is a commonality of experience among all women. It does not follow that there is a commonality of thought, but that women have informed thoughts on the matter, unlike men, who can at best only understand such things at a remove, having never experienced them firsthand.
This is textbook biology determines destiny chauvinism. It follows that only men can only understand men's issues due to their "commonality" of experiences. The so-called celebration of diversity divides us into gender groups. Hurray

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The same goes for minorities. Can white people understand their experience firsthand? Of course not. We've never lived it.
Do all people of color share a commonality of thought? Of course not. But the vast majority share some common experiences (such as having been faced with racism- either individual or systematic- as a result of being part of a racial minority) which white people cannot understand except at a remove.
These common experiences may lead two different people of color to have two entirely different opinions. It is possible to experience the exact same thing as someone else, but to draw different conclusions from it. There is no commonality of thought. Only of experience.
What racial minorities have in common is that they can give us unique insight- a firsthand perspective- into what it means to be a racial minority, and how, based on their experiences as racial minorities, they feel about racial issues. They won't all feel the same... but they will all have a first-hand perspective which we- as white people- cannot have.
What you propose is a caste system where individual outcomes are determined at birth where the opinion of hucksters like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are given more weight not because of the strength of their ideas but because of their ethnicity. What a good idea, divide everyone up into exclusive "perspectives" by ethnicity to demonstrate how "inclusive" we are.

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It's ludicrous to claim that this sort of diversity adds no value to our discussions.
Diversity of the sort that evaluates ideas based on the gender or ethnicity of proponent doesn't add anything to the discussion. It is a quota system masked as an exercise in equality.
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What you propose is a caste system where individual outcomes are determined at birth where the opinion of hucksters like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are given more weight not because of the strength of their ideas but because of their ethnicity.
Where did she say to "give more weight?"

Her whole point was that as much as you might think you can speak for other people's experiences........you can't.

If you refuse to even listen to, make an attempt to understand or dismiss those experiences out of hand........you are part of the problem.


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Where did she say to "give more weight?"
The claim is that there are common experiences or biological perspectives that based on race or gender that cannot be truely understood by anyone else. Therefore unless the discussion includes members of these groups, it is invalid, an exercise in "mental masterbation" according to 1069. That makes the input of the designated groups more valuable than that of non-members on for example reproductive issues, as if the liquidation of the unborn is not an issue that ought to concern men.

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Her whole point was that as much as you might think you can speak for other people's experiences........you can't.
None of us can speak to the totality of someone else's experience. The danger is the assumption that a member of a minority group or gender speaks for the exclusive experiences of that group. The focus ought to be on the evaluation of thought because clearly these experential "perspectives" do not produce a commonality of thought.

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If you refuse to even listen to, make an attempt to understand or dismiss those experiences out of hand........you are part of the problem.
Yes comrade, my refusal to engage in race or gender based politics makes me part of the "problem." Celebrating diversity using the contemporary understanding consists of dividing people into groups by race and gender, something formerly known as segregation. Each group is assumed to have it's own "perspective" leading to assumed beliefs, formerly known as predjudices. Just look at the scorn and downright hatred heaped upon Conservative women by the supposed titians of diversity.
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