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be upset 3 60.00%
feel victorious 0 0%
I believe the election was stolen from Trump 2 40.00%
Trump is interfering in a peaceful transfer of power although he really lost the election 0 0%
I'd be O.K. with another four years of Trump at cost of a little civil unrest 1 20.00%
Im in favor of 8 more years w/ Trump if we could extend his term 0 0%
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If rioters get their way and some cops were to join them, would you be upset or feel victorious? Would yo pick a side? Do you believe the election was stolen from Trump?
Or do you think Trump is interfering in a peaceful transfer of power although he really lost the election?
Would you be O.K. with another four years of Trump at the cost of civil war?
Do you want 8 more years with Trump as President if we could extend his term?

Any other thoughts on the matter. Please try to explain your answers.
no one can see who chose what
you are encouraged to choose as many answers as you like.
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here's a less loaded question for you Salt.
Would you admit it if you saw hard evidence that Trump DID in fact win?
Would you want an honest peaceful recount?
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here's a less loaded question for you Salt.
Would you admit it if you saw hard evidence that Trump DID in fact win?
Would you want an honest peaceful recount?
There have been recounts and the election is certified, also Trump has stated Biden would be President Jan 20th. Of course he didn't dispute the election was stolen. neither did his 'combat' lawyer Giuliani.
Do you want to kill a Democratic Republic and make it a fascists' dictatorship?
Do you want chaos seekers to throw discord into the facts?
everything disputed has been thrown out of court or recounted-some 3 times- with the same results. no actually I think a few dishonest Trump votes may have been found.
How can you doubt such a big margin seeing that Trump never has been popular with more than 49% (2020-01-29, 2020-02-16, 2020-03-22, 2020-04-28, 2020-05-13) , and never won a majority of the vote. Last time if Hillary would have slouched her butt to Wisconsin he probably would have lost by a thin margin.
If there was merit in the request heck yes. But all that has been done already.
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If there was merit in the request heck yes. But all that has been done already.
that's good to hear.
Have you listened to all sides of the issues or just believed the naysayers?




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There have been recounts and the election is certified, also Trump has stated Biden would be President Jan 20th. Of course he didn't dispute the election was stolen. neither did his 'combat' lawyer Giuliani.
Do you want to kill a Democratic Republic and make it a fascists' dictatorship?
Do you want chaos seekers to throw discord into the facts?
everything disputed has been thrown out of court or recounted-some 3 times- with the same results. no actually I think a few dishonest Trump votes may have been found.
How can you doubt such a big margin seeing that Trump never has been popular with more than 49% (2020-01-29, 2020-02-16, 2020-03-22, 2020-04-28, 2020-05-13) , and never won a majority of the vote.
Can you quote me from anywhere on any subject where i've promoted any of the ideas you've assumed i might be contemplating?

can you honestly quote anyone on this board that's promoted those ideas?



Salt Look.
I've said before I'm convinced that WBush's crew stole 1 if not both of his elections. In both elections the Rs cheated.
In this 2020 election I don't think That trump had the votes (but I'm not sure) But I am convinced that the Ds cheated in various areas.
I believe there should be open investigations to determine the facts and punish the culpable.
Sadly i think like the Bush Gore election the investigations won't be done well until months or years afterwards and Then by independent bodies. Not by gov't officials as it should be.
Added to 2020's mess is the fact that Dems are so emotionally unhinged that they can't even see strait and somehow can't comprehend how anyone can doubt the election. While they and YOU have been claiming for 3+ years WITHOUT evidence that "the RUSSIANS" "hacked" "influenced" "rigged" "Fixed" the 2016 election. Everyday Rachal maddow and other were going to Show us all the BOMBSHELL that would expose Trump and the Election and/or Collusion. Investigations got PLAYED OUT. and what information to be had was brought fourth over a 3 YEAR period, with official investigations, and gov't review boards.
For this election we've got a TRAIN of eye witnesses and Odd numbers testifying to election problems that have only been reviewed via short clips, and quick mentions and backhandedly dismissed by a few officials but mainly by THE MEDIA and the Dems.

so sorry, How about you let me have as much doubt about this election as YOU had about 2016.
There were no witnesses of RUSSIANS poll workers in the U.S. Shepparding Dem Votes and sidelining Republicans. Just Hillary making a blind accusation that started a whole Official and Unofficial train of serious inquiry... that lead NO WHERE.

How about given people like myself some room to investigate a bit more. Maybe about 3 years and some special prosecutors?

After 3+ years of investigations are you convinced that the 2016 election was fair and NOT controlled by Russia?

BTW I didn't even vote for Trump... or Biden. i just want a fair and peaceful elections
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that's good to hear.
Have you listened to all sides of the issues or just believed the naysayers?






Can you quote me from anywhere on any subject where i've promoted any of the ideas you've assumed i might be contemplating?

can you honestly quote anyone on this board that's promoted those ideas?



Salt Look.
I've said before I'm convinced that WBush's crew stole 1 if not both of his elections. In both elections the Rs cheated.
In this 2020 election I don't think That trump had the votes (but I'm not sure) But I am convinced that the Ds cheated in various areas.
I believe there should be open investigations to determine the facts and punish the culpable.
Sadly i think like the Bush Gore election the investigations won't be done well until months or years afterwards and Then by independent bodies. Not by gov't officials as it should be.
Added to 2020's mess is the fact that Dems are so emotionally unhinged that they can't even see strait and somehow can't comprehend how anyone can doubt the election. While they and YOU have been claiming for 3+ years WITHOUT evidence that "the RUSSIANS" "hacked" "influenced" "rigged" "Fixed" the 2016 election. Everyday Rachal maddow and other were going to Show us all the BOMBSHELL that would expose Trump and the Election and/or Collusion. Investigations got PLAYED OUT. and what information to be had was brought fourth over a 3 YEAR period, with official investigations, and gov't review boards.
For this election we've got a TRAIN of eye witnesses and Odd numbers testifying to election problems that have only been reviewed via short clips, and quick mentions and backhandedly dismissed by a few officials but mainly by THE MEDIA and the Dems.

so sorry, How about you let me have as much doubt about this election as YOU had about 2016.
There were no witnesses of RUSSIANS poll workers in the U.S. Shepparding Dem Votes and sidelining Republicans. Just Hillary making a blind accusation that started a whole Official and Unofficial train of serious inquiry... that lead NO WHERE.

How about given people like myself some room to investigate a bit more. Maybe about 3 years and some special prosecutors?

After 3+ years of investigations are you convinced that the 2016 election was fair and NOT controlled by Russia?

BTW I didn't even vote for Trump... or Biden. i just want a fair and peaceful elections
Number one. Trump won the 2016 election.
Number two Russians hacked the 2016 election.
Does that mean the Russians made him win?
We will never know but it is more likely they wanted dirt because that is how Putin operates. that was his job in the KGB and he was good at it- collecting information that may come in handy down the road.
Dems were split and after the last emails were introduced- a thing that wasn't even a thing plus in retrospect beside Trump's open secrets on twitter and live tv-and made a splash there near the end, many were disgusted.
Plus there were tons of people-not quite half the voters just as today- who liked the guy. you could tell that with your neighbors and family, didn't need a poll.
Then Trump never ordered any work done to fix the holes Russian hackers got through. they still have not been thwarted from tinkering with our systems.
I think Trump might have resisted fixing them to throw chaos or to help Russians who knows. He likes 'strong men' like Erdogan, Kim and Vladimir. He seems to feel out of place and uncomfortable around educated or kind people. no matter how helpful or nice they try to be.
So it is a mystery does Vlad have something on trump or not.
but Hillary conceded.
And if Putin did help it wasn't by much. no I think he's interested in how to break into our voting system. but for national elections it is very hard to commit over all fraud digital or otherwise. each state is different and some do computer voting; some as we've seen call a tie by cutting a deck of cards.

Russian influence was rampant in the people trump surrounded himself with.
I suspect Trump's main interest in it all was money. He's never been very good at handling it and always out to make more, often skating on his (former) good looks and his name /dad's fortune.
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that's good to hear.
Have you listened to all sides of the issues or just believed the naysayers?






Can you quote me from anywhere on any subject where i've promoted any of the ideas you've assumed i might be contemplating?

can you honestly quote anyone on this board that's promoted those ideas?
You need to realize he's already infected almost or about half of congress with his scams like getting donor money by getting fans mad at and afraid of Democrats.
he loves the spotlight and adores power. he's probably never had a let down in his life and has strong armed -via hired thugs or sheer will and immorality-what he didn't get legitimately given to him.
yes he's a funny clown like hitler was. yes many who've hung their star on him want another mouselini as long as they can throw out and kick round the jews, the blacks and immigrants without much repercussions. make it ok to say racial slurs again and beat up the guy who tries to set you straight about it. rape the women who sleep with the lowly cast or love other women. no problemo. he rapped his own former wife while pulling her hair out.

now this?
four people killed, thousands that wanted pence and pelosi dead some of whom actively hunted for them inside the building. with body armor, helmets and weapons. one police ha committed suicide.
you want him in office 7 more days? you want him receiving a pension from tax payers?
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You need to realize he's already infected almost or about half of congress with his scams like getting donor money by getting fans mad at and afraid of Democrats.
he loves the spotlight and adores power. he's probably never had a let down in his life and has strong armed -via hired thugs or sheer will and immorality-what he didn't get legitimately given to him.
yes he's a funny clown like hitler was. yes many who've hung their star on him want another mouselini as long as they can throw out and kick round the jews, the blacks and immigrants without much repercussions. make it ok to say racial slurs again and beat up the guy who tries to set you straight about it. rape the women who sleep with the lowly cast or love other women. no problemo. he rapped his own former wife while pulling her hair out.

now this?
four people killed, thousands that wanted pence and pelosi dead some of whom actively hunted for them inside the building. with body armor, helmets and weapons. one police ha committed suicide.
you want him in office 7 more days? you want him receiving a pension from tax payers?
Did you listen to his speech that day? He never told anyone to be violent. not once.

How many people have the presidents killed and needlessly gotten killed by DIRECT actions over the past 30 years?

by your standard NONE of them should have stayed in office.
All should be in jail.
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that's good to hear.
Have you listened to all sides of the issues or just believed the naysayers?






Can you quote me from anywhere on any subject where i've promoted any of the ideas you've assumed i might be contemplating?

can you honestly quote anyone on this board that's promoted those ideas?



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I've said before I'm convinced that WBush's crew stole 1 if not both of his elections. In both elections the Rs cheated.
In this 2020 election I don't think That trump had the votes (but I'm not sure) But I am convinced that the Ds cheated in various areas.
I believe there should be open investigations to determine the facts and punish the culpable.
Sadly i think like the Bush Gore election the investigations won't be done well until months or years afterwards and Then by independent bodies. Not by gov't officials as it should be.
Added to 2020's mess is the fact that Dems are so emotionally unhinged that they can't even see strait and somehow can't comprehend how anyone can doubt the election. While they and YOU have been claiming for 3+ years WITHOUT evidence that "the RUSSIANS" "hacked" "influenced" "rigged" "Fixed" the 2016 election. Everyday Rachal maddow and other were going to Show us all the BOMBSHELL that would expose Trump and the Election and/or Collusion. Investigations got PLAYED OUT. and what information to be had was brought fourth over a 3 YEAR period, with official investigations, and gov't review boards.
For this election we've got a TRAIN of eye witnesses and Odd numbers testifying to election problems that have only been reviewed via short clips, and quick mentions and backhandedly dismissed by a few officials but mainly by THE MEDIA and the Dems.

so sorry, How about you let me have as much doubt about this election as YOU had about 2016.
There were no witnesses of RUSSIANS poll workers in the U.S. Shepparding Dem Votes and sidelining Republicans. Just Hillary making a blind accusation that started a whole Official and Unofficial train of serious inquiry... that lead NO WHERE.

How about given people like myself some room to investigate a bit more. Maybe about 3 years and some special prosecutors?

After 3+ years of investigations are you convinced that the 2016 election was fair and NOT controlled by Russia?

BTW I didn't even vote for Trump... or Biden. i just want a fair and peaceful elections
Good post. The bolded is where I stand. The rest is spot on.
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I voted 2 selections.
The election was stolen from Trump. Biden didn't campaign. He couldn't draw flies at his rallies. But supposedly 80 million voted for him? No way. Thats why Democrats are fighting so hard to avoid investigation. You can bet if Trump had one Democrats would be screaming for another special counsel, praising riots as an expression of democracy and filing articles of impeachment based on articles even more ludicrous than last time.

I am OK with Trump being in office another 4 years with a little civil unrest. The emphasis here is on civil. Leftist Democrats and their media shills have characterized the violent riots incited by BLM and carried out by Antifa and other revolutionary groups as mostly peaceful. Defacto President Harris has said the unrest has to continue for some time. My standard for a little civil unrest is no violence, no looting, no destruction of property, much different than what the Democrats use.
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Biden didn't campaign. He couldn't draw flies at his rallies. But supposedly 80 million voted for him? No way.
I really do not think that many people--in fact, virtually none--were (or are) enthusiastic supporters of Joe Biden.

But there are many Never Trumpers out there--people who would vote for Charlie Brown, if he were running against Donald Trump.

So Joe Biden may, indeed, have gotten 80 million votes (about 79.9 million of which, in all probability, were intended as anti-Trump votes).
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