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Polls Discuss Impeachment at the General Forum; Originally Posted by AZRWinger Resistance Democrats were advocating impeachment practically from the announcement Trump had won the election. It takes ...

View Poll Results: Most Likely Articles of Impeachment
Obstruction of Justice (Russia Investigation) 4 66.67%
Abuse of Power (Russia Investigation) 2 33.33%
Witness Tampering (Russia Investigation) 2 33.33%
Campaign Finance Fraud (Hush Money Payments) 3 50.00%
Money Laundering (Hush Money Payments) 2 33.33%
Tax Fraud (Hush Money Payments) 2 33.33%
Emoluments Violation (Via Trump Properties) 4 66.67%
Embezzlement (Trump Foundation) 0 0%
Failiure To Faithfully Execute the Law (numerous cases) 1 16.67%
Wildcard (Pick your own and specify what it is) 4 66.67%
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Old 12-19-2018, 11:49 PM
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Resistance Democrats were advocating impeachment practically from the announcement Trump had won the election. It takes a tremendous amount of blind zealotry to criminalize every contact with a Russian as an offense, every business deal discussion as currying failure and to ignore the prosecutorial abuses committed in the name of the hyper partisan investigations of Trump. The impeachment crazed partisans operate on the old Vietnam era axiom "to save the village it is necessary to destroy it".
Those that were informed at the time knew full well that Donald Trump had always been involved in criminal activities related to his business dealing. What were seeing today is the actual evidence of how criminal Donald Trump has always been. Trump was arguably the worst CEO of a high dollar corporation in the United States. He was shunned by legitimate CEO's and would never have been hired by any Board of Directors of any major corporation.

Trump's success on the Apprentice was a demonstration of his executive incompetence. A competent CEO would have bored the audience to tears. Only the absurdity of Trump pretending to be a legitimate CEO made the show funny.

So yes, there were some "right out of the gate" that were calling for Trump's impeachment because he was already a known crook that had been committing fraud and other felonies for decades.

Others required more actual evidence and that evidence is piling up by the ton as Trump's past is being investigated for the first time in his life. It's no wonder Trump is freaking out. All of his dirty laundry (illegal activities) is now being aired in public.

The investigations will continue and, even if the DOJ won't prosecute a sitting president, the criminal indictments against Trump and the other members of the Trump Crime Family are going to be prosecuted in the future and Trump will spend his last years looking out of his prison cell window wondering how it all went so wrong.

Unlike Ford pardoning Nixon, any future president that would pardon Donald Trump would be committing an impeachable offense.
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This one almost made me spit out my coffee...

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Trump's payments were made when he was the Republican Presidential Candidate just weeks before the election took place.

>Edwards
Edwards made the payments when he was running for the Democratic Party nomination and not when he was actually running for president.
That's the "difference"????...

If accepting a party's nomination is held on August 28th, then payments on August 27th or before are OK, but not on August 29th or after...

Who made up this rule?!?!?!...(Yeah...We know)...
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This one almost made me spit out my coffee...

That's the "difference"????...

If accepting a party's nomination is held on August 28th, then payments on August 27th or before are OK, but not on August 29th or after...

Who made up this rule?!?!?!...(Yeah...We know)...
Edward's payment was made by wealthy supporters on his behalf. Since he is a Democrat there was no possibility of buying influence.

Trump's payment was made with his personal funds so therefore it was a criminal activity. Seeing as how it's Trump he must be guilty.
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Edward's payment was made by wealthy supporters on his behalf. Since he is a Democrat there was no possibility of buying influence.

Trump's payment was made with his personal funds so therefore it was a criminal activity. Seeing as how it's Trump he must be guilty.
No, Edwards was never the Democratic nominee for President and his payment was not made to influence the election. It was to provide financial assistance to his mistress. There wasn't a conspiracy where other members of the conspiracy were willing to testify against Edwards. Edwards was not cleared of the charges against him (it was a hung jury) and the claim that he was cleared is false.

Trump's payment was made just weeks before the general election, when Trump was the Republican candidate for President to silence women from disclosing their affairs with Trump, soon after the Access Hollywood tapes, with the express purpose of affecting the outcome of the election. There are two co-conspirators that are willing to testify against Donald Trump making a conviction extremely likely. Even with the DOJ policy of not indicting and prosecuting a sitting President there's a high probability of indictment and prosecution of Trump for these felonies once he leaves office because of the compelling evidence of the crime.
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This one almost made me spit out my coffee...

That's the "difference"????...

If accepting a party's nomination is held on August 28th, then payments on August 27th or before are OK, but not on August 29th or after...

Who made up this rule?!?!?!...(Yeah...We know)...
The payments to the women occurred in October just weeks before the general election.

Yes, there is a difference between someone that is the Party's nominee for President and someone that's not the Party's nominee for President.
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Those that were informed at the time knew full well that Donald Trump had always been involved in criminal activities related to his business dealing. What were seeing today is the actual evidence of how criminal Donald Trump has always been. Trump was arguably the worst CEO of a high dollar corporation in the United States. He was shunned by legitimate CEO's and would never have been hired by any Board of Directors of any major corporation.

Trump's success on the Apprentice was a demonstration of his executive incompetence. A competent CEO would have bored the audience to tears. Only the absurdity of Trump pretending to be a legitimate CEO made the show funny.

So yes, there were some "right out of the gate" that were calling for Trump's impeachment because he was already a known crook that had been committing fraud and other felonies for decades.

Others required more actual evidence and that evidence is piling up by the ton as Trump's past is being investigated for the first time in his life. It's no wonder Trump is freaking out. All of his dirty laundry (illegal activities) is now being aired in public.

The investigations will continue and, even if the DOJ won't prosecute a sitting president, the criminal indictments against Trump and the other members of the Trump Crime Family are going to be prosecuted in the future and Trump will spend his last years looking out of his prison cell window wondering how it all went so wrong.

Unlike Ford pardoning Nixon, any future president that would pardon Donald Trump would be committing an impeachable offense.
Shiva, again, you're just babbling. But I'll take a stab at a couple babbles:

Trump has always been involved criminal activities. Amazing. Decades of criminal activities and yet not one indictment. Possibly the informed weren't informed after all. And after 2 years of intensive investigation, still no indictments.

Arguably the worst CEO, The person who turned millions into billions. Meanwhile, Circuit City, Grants, multiple airlines, dozens of restaurant chains. and now Sears, are no more.

In spite of wishful thinking, President Trump will not be impeached, removed from office, or serve time.


I'd be interested in the logic behind your statement that:

Unlike Ford pardoning Nixon, any future president that would pardon Donald Trump would be committing an impeachable offense.
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The Atlantic calls for Trump impeachment in new cover story



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Congressional Democrats have so far largely quashed calls for impeachment, saying the move would be premature and viewed as partisan overreach.

“If there's to be grounds for impeachment of President Trump — and I'm not seeking those grounds — that would have to be so clearly bipartisan in terms of acceptance of it before I think we should go down any impeachment path,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said earlier this month.

In The Atlantic piece, which is printed with the headline “The Case for Impeachment,” Appelbaum writes that Trump has “repeatedly trampled” on the Constitution, with his policies, approaches to the investigations that surround his administration and attacks on political opponents.

“These actions are, in sum, an attack on the very foundations of America’s constitutional democracy,” he writes.

Appelbaum says that beginning the impeachment process is a way for Congress to take control of the allegations that Trump has committed offenses that may rise to the level of grounds for removal from office.

“With a newly seated Democratic majority, the House of Representatives can no longer dodge its constitutional duty,” Appelbaum writes. “It must immediately open a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, and bring the debate out of the court of public opinion and into Congress, where it belongs.”

Despite a lack of support on Capitol Hill, outside calls for Trump's impeachment have persisted. Billionaire Democratic mega-donor Tom Steyer has led a multimillion dollar impeachment campaign that has included a number of television advertisements pushing for the move.

Steyer announced earlier this month that he would not seek the presidency in 2020, and will instead pour an additional $40 million into his efforts this year.
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Just checkin' in to see if Trump's been impeached yet.

Nope.

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Wow, there's a surprise.
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This is funny. We find out that Mueller apparently has a mountain of evidence that Trump suborned perjury and you guys are still pretending there’s nothing to see here. Will you keep that up right through his impeachment?
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