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View Poll Results: Do you support this policy?
Yes, we need it badly even at a cost far greater than the F-35 1 10.00%
No, a new arms race of this magnitude is economically absurd 9 90.00%
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:07 PM
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Didn't Blame. Offered a more cost effective alternative. Exactly what Trump claimed he some experience and expertise in, as opposed to simply making the federal gov't fatter at the wiff of a new "need".
BTW please remember, I didn't vote for Obama either. I voted Ron Paul vs Obama and 3rd party vs Hilary and Trump.

But It is odd that you don't seem to think that the current military branches OR Trump are able to handle the job though.
And AZ I kind of suspect that if a Nancy Pelosi or Schemer or Hillary said that we needed a Space Force becasue the other Military branches were too uncoordinated and not up to the job. And that Trump didn't know how to manage them, becasue he's was just a biz man, you'd be on my side of the debate.
No, you opposed a change because Trump proposed it. The Resistance has members who didn't vote for Hillary, never wrote you did.

You offered your unsupported opinion which you now claim is more cost effective.

Nice strawman claiming a space force means the current military is somehow deficient. The space force reflects the ever changing battlefield. As I wrote earlier the Air Force reflected the expanded importance of aerial combat capabilities in warfare just as the space force recognizes the importance of space as a strategic asset. No doubt armchair generals and self appointed efficiency experts whined about how wasteful it was to create an air force too.
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I don't think it's a bad idea. I have heard that we already have all 4 branches of the military that work on this type of stuff now. Like 30 some thousand people total, I think I heard.

I think if they do it, they should use the people that are already involved, and do it within their existing budget.

Space will probably be where the next big war takes place.
And the point is it is covered now just bring each branch into communications with each other.


Now that is a plan.
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Old 08-21-2018, 05:15 AM
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No, you opposed a change because Trump proposed it. The Resistance has members who didn't vote for Hillary, never wrote you did.
You offered your unsupported opinion which you now claim is more cost effective.
Nice strawman claiming a space force means the current military is somehow deficient. The space force reflects the ever changing battlefield. As I wrote earlier the Air Force reflected the expanded importance of aerial combat capabilities in warfare just as the space force recognizes the importance of space as a strategic asset. No doubt armchair generals and self appointed efficiency experts whined about how wasteful it was to create an air force too.
Look if you're simply going to Assume my motives and disregard all my post and reasons, it's not really a debate.

But just to be clear, I've always been against more Federal gov't spending.
no matter who purposes it. or for what.... since the 1980s.
I'm a true small gov't conservative. The federal gov't should be smaller including the military. Gov't waste and specifically the DOD has literately LOST/MISPLACED trillions of dollars that it can't account for. So there's little doubt in my mind that a new Space Force is likely simply another rat hole for U.S. money.

Bottom line it's not WW2, we have dominance of Space today and no other countries come close to spending what we do on space activities AZ.

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...However, the United States remains a powerhouse in space spending despite these slow downs. For example, in 2013, the United States spent about $40 billion on its space activities in 2013, still more than all other countries combined. The activities carried out by NASA accounted for $18 billion with the bulk of this amount spent on space exploration, research, and cross-agency report. Other areas funded by the space budget included activities that fall under several departments including Defense, Energy, Transportation, and Interior’s Geological Survey....

China is developing rapidly into one of the major space players. It spent about $10 billion in 2013 on space programs. However, despite having a smaller budget than the US, China has made 14 launches, almost as the many as the US has done (19). Much of China’s effort was directed towards landing Jade Rabbit rovers to the moon. The country is also building a space station and investing on the heavy-lift rockets and large satellite imaging and navigation network. China sees investment in the space sector as an indication of global leadership status giving the country legitimacy in areas associated with the super powers.

Russia has increased its space funding through the Russian Federal Space Agency in order to modernize its space infrastructure and capabilities. Russia spent about $8.7 billion in the space sector in 2013. Despite the fact that Russia has a smaller budget compared to the US and China, it has made 31 successful space launches. Russia is building a large cosmodrome in the Far East. The space budget also included maintenance of its 75 spacecraft and supporting the military’s state-of-the-art reconnaissance from space. Russia is also improving its space capabilities by increasing funds allocated towards making a trip to the moon a success by 2029. However, Russia’s space budget continues to be affected by the slump in oil prices and Western sanctions
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2013 Spending on Space
1 United States $39.332 billion
2 China $10.774 billion
3 Russia $8.691 billion
4 India $4.267 billion
5 Japan $3.421 billion
6 France $2.43 billion
7 Germany $1.626 billion
8 Italy $1.223 billion
9 Korea $0.411 billion
10 Canada $0.395 billion
11 United Kingdom $0.338 billion
12 Spain $0.302 billion
13 Brazil $0.259 billion
14 Belgium $0.245 billion
15 Indonesia $0.142 billion

I know it's Useless to Ask (since Fear isn't always rational) but why are so many conservative (and Lefties) IN FEAR of Russia and China when they are SO FAR behind us in spending and activity and tech here.
How many more Billions in spending will it take to make you feel safe harm?
How many more branches of the military?
If you look at the above article you'll notice that even though the Chinese and Russians spend less they seem to be able to get a lot out of it. Is it crazy talk to think that we can get MORE out what we have already?
I don't think so.
And as an arm chair citizen of the u.s., supposedly, with some say in what OUR country does, and a vote, I will put my opinion out there BASED ON the AVAILABLE INFO, which at this point tells me we have MORE than enough already.

There's nothing that you've posted that makes a case for the necessity for MORE. There's no real threat to the U.S. or our dominance, or any good reasons why the military CAN'T coordinate the programs available today. Unless they are all fools. which i know they are not.

But AZ, when we officially become a military dictatorship and we all just do whatever "the generals" say let me know.
Maybe you'll be happy, salute them, believe all they say without question and finally feel safer with that situation.
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Why, it will paid for by putting widows and orphans out on the street with tin cups or pencils.

Oh wait we'll cut Medicare reimbursements by 22% three years out and spend the money now. That's called Democrat funding, worked for Obamacare. Of course Congress had to step in with the so-called doctor fix for those fiscally responsible Democrats.

Democrats are reflexively opposed to anything Trump proposes, the paying for it gambit is just a distraction to avoid discussing the issue.
I don't support it because I don't believe we need it and it's a waste of money. As pointed out earlier in the thread, literally the previous post from this one, we already spend more in relation to space and defense than the next several countries combined. Has zero to do with Trump in spite of your baseless assertion.
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Trump and his administration need to do a lot more explaining about what they want to spend money on before this gets approved.
Right now we have some vague agenda claims from the White House and a $$$ request, but no explanation as to what that would buy us. And too many people have already pointed out in this thread how some of the tasking being described is already covered in existing infrastructure.
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