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Old 05-21-2018, 09:42 AM
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Failure of an owner of firearms to secure their weapons so that an unauthorized person (e.g. a minor) cannot access the firearm(s) and cause harm to themselves or to others has always been an issue that hasn't been properly addressed. This is not a "anti-Second Amendment" issue. It's an issue or complete irresponsibility by the firearms owner and with all Rights comes Responsibility.

The NRA and pro-gun advocates have opposed any legal requirements for the owner of firearms to be responsible in their actions.

My solution is simple. Make the owner of the firearms criminally responsible for the actions of the unauthorized person that was able to access the firearms. In this case the father that owned the shotgun and .38 caliber revolver should also be facing ten counts of murder that potentially carries the death penalty in Texas.
As long as you apply the same standard to everything else that a person could use to harm or kill another. If I loan a softball bat to a person to play in a softball tournament and he ends up getting into a fight and harming/killing another person, am I to be held responsible?

How about my truck? I loan my truck to a friend so that he can use it to move something. Along the way, he has a couple of beers and gets in an accident. Am I responsible? He was sober when I lent it too him, but by your logic, I should be held responsible for his actions.

I have allowed others to use a shotgun I own for skeet shooting. If they accidentally harm someone else at the range, should I be held responsible? What if someone breaks into my house and steals by guns and then goes on to commit other crimes? Am I to be held responsible?

How about we start holding people that shoot other people accountable for what they do and quit looking to blame everyone else. The reports I read said that this kid stole those guns from his parents. It's not like they just dropped them into his backpack as he was leaving the house.
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Failure of an owner of firearms to secure their weapons so that an unauthorized person (e.g. a minor) cannot access the firearm(s) and cause harm to themselves or to others has always been an issue that hasn't been properly addressed. This is not a "anti-Second Amendment" issue. It's an issue or complete irresponsibility by the firearms owner and with all Rights comes Responsibility.

The NRA and pro-gun advocates have opposed any legal requirements for the owner of firearms to be responsible in their actions.

My solution is simple. Make the owner of the firearms criminally responsible for the actions of the unauthorized person that was able to access the firearms. In this case the father that owned the shotgun and .38 caliber revolver should also be facing ten counts of murder that potentially carries the death penalty in Texas.
Would you hold that same standard to a person that had their vehicle stolen and then said vehicle was used to commit a crime?

Do you think a landlord should be held accountable for a person killing one of his tenants due to unauthorized access to the rental property by the killer? Or to use your style of verbiage,
Make the owner of the apartment criminally responsible for the actions of the unauthorized person that was able to access the apartment.
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After the glut of right-wing crisis actor conspiracies, and outright lying about and bullying of some of the Parkland shooting surviviors because they spoke up against gun violence, including unfortunately from some on this forum, conservatives getting offended over folks wanting better gun laws after yet another school shooting rings so hollow.
There is a parallel in the right-wing's attack on Muslims when there is a terrorist attack.
Days after a married Muslim couple carried out a deadly shooting attack in San Bernardino, Calif., his team released a statement Dec. 7, 2015, about his proposal.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," it said.
Rational and constitutional minded people recognized the attack on religious liberties.
Too many on the right applauded and saw nothing wrong with it.

And today, any time there is a terror attack involving a terrorist Muslim (which doesn't represent all Muslims), the act is generalized onto the whole...
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And today, any time there is a terror attack involving a terrorist Muslim (which doesn't represent all Muslims), the act is generalized onto the whole...
If it makes it better, I think all Muslims are stupid (especially the women) for even joining the Islam cult. Never mind the terroristic monkeys in there.

Now, back to the topic of the second amendment's trashing by leftist anti-gun snowflakes and their cronies.
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There is a parallel in the right-wing's attack on Muslims when there is a terrorist attack.
Days after a married Muslim couple carried out a deadly shooting attack in San Bernardino, Calif., his team released a statement Dec. 7, 2015, about his proposal.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," it said.
Rational and constitutional minded people recognized the attack on religious liberties.
Too many on the right applauded and saw nothing wrong with it.

And today, any time there is a terror attack involving a terrorist Muslim (which doesn't represent all Muslims), the act is generalized onto the whole...
Maybe if Muslims would quit coming here and Europe and instigating terrorists attacks, we would have nothing to complain about. Sure, most Muslims are not doing this and it is wrong to condemn them as a group. However, when you have a specific sect of a religion teaching it's followers to kill all non-Muslims, you kind of have to step back and think, maybe it is their religion putting them up to this and until we can figure out how to screen for those willing to kill us, we put the brakes on.

Do you remember back in the early 1980's, there was a rash of people being poisoned by Tylenol, where someone had injected poison into the production process? Did you are anyone else go ahead and keep taking Tylenol saying that it's not all Tylenol that is bad, so I feel safe? From what I remember, we ALL through ALL Tylenol out and didn't buy it again until they were able to sort out the bad apples. It was not a bad idea, was it?
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Failure of an owner of firearms to secure their weapons so that an unauthorized person (e.g. a minor) cannot access the firearm(s) and cause harm to themselves or to others has always been an issue that hasn't been properly addressed. This is not a "anti-Second Amendment" issue. It's an issue or complete irresponsibility by the firearms owner and with all Rights comes Responsibility.

The NRA and pro-gun advocates have opposed any legal requirements for the owner of firearms to be responsible in their actions.

My solution is simple. Make the owner of the firearms criminally responsible for the actions of the unauthorized person that was able to access the firearms.
So if someone steals one your kitchen knives and stabs a bunch of people to death should you be held criminally responsible? Should you face the death penalty because one of your kids or someone else stole one of your kitchen knives and murdered people with it?

Please don't give me that BS a gun is made to murder people. No its not.No gun manufacturer makes their firearms with the intention of people murdering other people. A gun a is made to shoot a bullet much like a knife is made to slash or stab.
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In this case the father that owned the shotgun and .38 caliber revolver should also be facing ten counts of murder that potentially carries the death penalty in Texas.
The only one that should be facing that punishment is the guy who murdered innocent people.
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Availability of firearms is not the root cause of these mass shootings. If it were then these atrocities would have been occuring with the same frequency back in the 1950-60"s when there was almost no gun control. These occurrences started mostly in the last twenty years. One must ask what is different now.

Since the 1960's the leftest point of view has dominated education and mass culture. The concept of right and wrong (good vs.evil) has become relative rather than absolute. There is no "moral compass" to guide the reasoning of our youth. This left wing culture has also created a sense of entitlement among youth that ignores an absolute notion of right and wrong. It causes too many youths to have a mindset where they believe they have enormous grievances based on some petty setbacks in their life. The result is the existence of these gollums that perpetrate these school shootings.

The left will never acknowledge they are the facilitators of school shootings for several reasons let alone accepting responsibilities for the situation. They will never admit to the moral decay their philosophy has created because their agenda cannot exist without moral decay. To have a population completely dependant on government decadence and despair are required. Furthermore, their clamoring for increased gun control ties in with their vision of the future. That is, a disarmed populace is necessary for the totalitarian socialist society that is the ultimate goal of their ideology.

So what is the solution now that the left has created this situation. Short term is simply more "good guys with guns". Armed teachers, more armed security guards at schools will help prevent these attacks because these shooters are cowards that will not engage if there is someone to shoot back. Long term it is to take back education and mass culture. Not so easy to do, but it must be done to eliminate this Alinskite/Marxist mess.
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Availability of firearms is not the root cause of these mass shootings. If it were then these atrocities would have been occuring with the same frequency back in the 1950-60"s when there was almost no gun control.
Semi-automatic and automatic firearms have been around for over a hundred years.Yet just like you pointed the gun control was nowhere near as it is now but mass shootings didn't occur at the frequency they do now.

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These occurrences started mostly in the last twenty years. One must ask what is different now.

Leftist in the zeal to try to severely restrict or ban firearms have turned mass murderers into instant celebs. That is what has changed. The suicidal social outcast losers who mostly would have either got on with their lives or just offed themselves would become instant celebs if they can rack up a body count. The thing the media does every time there is a mass shooting is talk about the mass murderer, show his picture, talk about him for weeks, speculate why he may have done what he done, talk about where he got his guns, how much ammo he had, what kind of guns he used if it can advantageous to their goal of trying scare the public into supporting more anti-2nd amendment laws and if he left a suicide then they will give us the gist of what it says. If the media as a whole made it a policy to not air the mass murderer's name and picture then there would be a lot less mass shootings.
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Our parents banned the Tommy-gun for the good of the citizenry. Don't dare call those people "unpatriotic"

They won WWII, and our grandparents won WWI. They warned us against propaganda having experienced its affect over seas.

Propagandizing citizens, whether by corporate or political interests, is wrong. Not just wrong, but evil.


The NRA has propagandized citizens through ads, articles and lobbyist efforts (where the money pays for 'gun rights' politic campaign ads and entices candidates to promote their interests to their constituents).

We can make military grade weaponry (weapons only made to kill humans) illegal and that would have zero affect on the second amendment.
We can ask that mental illness be documented an handed to a data base where it will be red flagged wen the seller checks. And that will have zero impact on privacy/search and seizure laws. (Hint: we don't issue dr licenses to epileptics till they are seizure free for 2 yrs; medical employees must report when they merely wonder without actual proof if a child is being abused).

We have it within our power to again be a decent and sensible country.
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Our parents banned the Tommy-gun for the good of the citizenry. Don't dare call those people "unpatriotic"

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We have it within our power to again be a decent and sensible country.
I call the people who banned automatics chickens.

To be a decent and sensible country, our gun misfits need to move to a gun-free paradise. Try North Korea. Please.

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