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Old 03-02-2018, 01:59 PM
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Simple math...

If the deficits went "so far down", the debt would not have gone from $11 trillion to $20 trillion during Obama's presidency...

The absolutely hysterical, bullsh*t, immature pile of crap neglects what I've written earlier...

The whole reason it "looks" like it went down so far under Obama was because the deficit SKYROCKETED under Obama in the beginning of his tenure...

U.S. Deficit by Year: Compared to GDP, Increase in Debt and Events




Saying Obama made the deficits go down is just as retarded as someone gaining 250 pounds and then yelling how much weight they've lost when they get rid of 125 of it...
Except that Obama inherited the fat guy, he didn't start out with a skinny guy. It would be like blaming Dr. Nowzardian because he was brought a 600-lb patient. No matter who was president after 2008, that person would have had to deal with a gigantic federal deficit and economic recession on their doorstep.

And as we can see, the deficit did fall, by almost a trillion. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton.

Almost feels like Democrats get voted into fix Republican fiscal messes. And as we can see from recent headlines, the deficit is starting to pick back up again. The tax cuts and spending increases aren't helping.
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This argument remains as a consequence of FI66 claiming debt was our biggest enemy. This chart is about Deficit. As a reminder, don’t get the deficit twisted with the debt. They are only related, not the same.

The country’s annual deficit is the difference between what the government collects in revenues and spends in one year. The national debt, which exceeds $20 trillion, is the net of annual deficits minus any annual surpluses. We have to borrow the difference. And pay interest. In that regard FI66's original claim of "threat" is valid.

Ya'll may remember in 2014 Obama claimed a drop of 70% in the "deficit." But we borrowed over a $trillion. How could this be?

The Obama White House was breaking down the deficit as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product, or GDP, and not actual dollars. Much like the unemployment rate, most people do not understand how it is calculated. Much to the delight and convenience of the pundits,,,,; and the politicians.

That said, economists have told us this is a valid way of analyzing the deficit, because it factors in the economy’s change over time. .

In fiscal year 2009, which started almost four months before Obama's presidency began and ended eight months into it, the deficit was 9.8 percent of GDP. The 2014 shortfall is 2.8 percent of GDP -- a decrease of 71 percent. So that's where the claim comes from.

So when the GDP shrank, the deficit ratio "improved."

Please. Bad enough the thread was run off topic. Let's try not to conflate the facts as well
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What I see are all but the Saudies, Afgan and Mexico that would love to harm America.. And that might change

So other isn't the best answer... Yea our debt is so there should be a place for America in the poll as well as more than one choice..
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I say Russia and China. I would say North Korea, but they are only a threat because of Russia and China backing them up.Without Russia and China the North Koreans would have been curb stomped a long time ago. I would say terrorist attacks but the only danger from that is the politicians who wish to use acts of terrorism to infringe on our liberties.
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I put other and my issue is money buying politicians. These guys almost never listen to the voting public although they pretend to be listening around election time. They're putting in their time getting funding for their campaigns by the Kochs and Mercers, then get cushy big buck jobs on wall street etc. after 'serving' in politics. This is why we're at war all the time. Higher profit margins in wartime even if we have to invent a reason to go to war, which we always do.
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Who do you think is the CURRENT Biggest threat to the USA?
Who Should We Fear Most and why?

I'm just sitting here reading the latest Russia "concerns" and frankly I'm weary, every 3- 7years there's a new boogieman that the politicians of one or both sides wants us to crap out pants about.

But being raised as a kid made to hide under my desk for school safety drills in case of nuke attacks and then seeing the USSR collapse. frankly none of the threats presented since then have impressed me as very serious... militarily or otherwise.
Yep, ln the 1980s i grew extremely skeptical of the fear-mongering about various countries and movements and such.

When G W Bush 1st ran and said he was against foreign intervention and "nation building" projects I was 100% behind that. And 911 did NOT change my mind. For some reason Alqeda never seemed "BIG”, nothing like the USSR had been portrayed. Just a guy in the desert on dialysis with no army, navy or air force. But we were supposed to be in abject "terror" of what he might do next? And lose all our liberties to defend from AQ's POSSIBLE attacks?
Sorry I never bought it, still don't.

But others seems very concerned..
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Who do you think is the CURRENT Biggest threat to the USA?
and why?
Not a foreign country
The biggest threat is money in politics. The two majority parties are owned by major corporations. Just look at the discovery that AT&T had paid a tidy sum to gain favors from the President.
Also as Trump seems to fly outside the mainstream, he is still not immune to this. Sheldon Addleson, one of Trumps backers has an agenda, so does Putin who seems to have funneled money through the NRA and elsewhere.

Hillary was a big pharma queen, and her Barack Obama and Trump are beneficiaries of the military industrial complex.

Trump and Clinton and others even go outside the country seeking a palm greaser such as the Saudis, the head of China (George H.W and Trump) , and Canada and indirectly that keystone pipeline (Clinton) just to name a smidgen. So campaign finance reform wouldn't fix that, but it would certainly be a good start to reign in the excesses of the elite.
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The divisiveness in what was the United States.

Whether the group is violent or not I think this "Us vs. Them" attitude will destroy us.
Way to much emphasis on race now.
Whether it's the KKK or Republican vs. Democrats.
Black Lives Matter, Chicanos Por the Causa, Gay or Strait,or asking people to provide their race on forms.
It's pulling us apart.
When it asks my race on forms I write other: "Human." There is only one race the Human Race.
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NK. Without question. Have been for a good decade or so.

Doesn't get much worse than a country ruled by a mentally unstable madman who has a nuclear arsenal and wouldn't hesitate to use it.
The unstable madman and Donald are boys now......

He trusts the unstable madman, his words not mine.....


You might want to modify your ~NK. Without question. take.....
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I voted "Other"
It's our debt which is going to bring us down.
It is the party of Pelosi and Schumer, along with the ally Soros. The sheep bleating along with them are doing an excellent job of encouraging them.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:06 PM
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There is no doubt that "LIBERAL ideology" is our biggest threat in the USA.......
I found this interesting because it raised the question of not just what the "Liberal ideology" is but also what the "Conservative ideology" is. were. I tried searching for both but found nothing that could be described as an actual ideology. What I did find was the 2016 Democratic and Republican "Party Platforms" but those address positions on policies and not the underlying ideology that would be behind those positions.

Perhaps someone here can actually find something where the "Liberal ideology" behind the "positions" is presented by a qualified and respected representative of liberalism as well as someone that's a qualified and respected representative of the "conservative ideology" for comparative purposes.

It would be appropriate to actually establish what is being objected to when addressing an ideology.

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Liberals will kiss the azz of our enemy to gain popularity as Obama did for 8 years. The libs will sell their soul for a few more votes and then flush the rest of the country down the shizzer to retain control. Look at Hillary/DNC and her handling of Bernie and funding of the dossier on Trump. The truth really is shocking when you sort out the BS from the facts.
None of the above is true of course but opinions are what opinions are and often they lack a creditable foundation.
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