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um Again it's not about FEELING.
It's about a FACTUAL CHANGE in the way the Christmas is address over the years.
You may feel that it's fine since everyone you know is fine. I can't speak to your feelings or personal experiences.

But what i'm talking talking about is the FACT that in America at large there is the diminishing, removal and sometime legal attacks against many of the the formerly common BENIGN practices of the Christmas holiday.

the use of the term "happy holidays" is one example. And no one here has given a consistently LOGICAL answer why Christmas is the ONLY Major holiday that where the term is used. Earlier you hinted at "religion" being a factor. and I think you are exactly right.
Well maybe adults became sensitive after they were embarrassed as children. I wished a guy at western auto merry christmas and thinking he didn't hear me repeated it. he grinned and nodded. Later I found out he was Jewish.
So people seem more caring who grew up really believing you should be kind to people.
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I wished a guy at western auto merry christmas and thinking he didn't hear me repeated it. he grinned and nodded. Later I found out he was Jewish.
So people seem more caring who grew up really believing you should be kind to people.
You make a fair point. I certainly would not wish to appear insensitive to others.

I just think that the current disdain for the term, "Merry Christmas!" is often motivated, instead, by a sense of political correctness.
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It may be well to get one thing straight.

Some have noted that there is no government edict prohibiting Christians from celebrating Christmas privately.

And that is certainly true.

But this is a strawman argument, as no one here has claimed that government is prohibiting the private celebration of Christmas.

The real point is this: Public displays of Christmas icons--even Santa Claus (which dovetails with the secular version of Christmas, rather than the religious version)--are now frowned upon by The Elite Class, in a way that they were not a few generations ago.

And the use of the term, "Merry Christmas!" is similarly disparaged.
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On the outset of all this, people who repudiated claims of war on christmas asked for examples.
And all we got was a diarrhea of links from CindyB, some of which repudiated claims of war on Christmas. MOCKING people who made such claims.

The reason we asked for examples is to try and get this issue to reality.
So that when people start making up stupid claims like browbeating people into saying "Happy Holidays" exists, we would have something to talk about instead of just some anonymous internet poster making up claims.

Previously, I posted a survey which documented a breakdown of people who are "offended" by:
* "Happy Holidays"
* "Merry Christmas"
Those taking offense to "Happy Holidays" far outnumbered those who take offense to "Merry Christmas". So any pretense that real or significant "browbeating" exists against those who say Merry Christmas is b.s.
The reality is this thread is an example of browbeating people who don't see a war on Christmas.
Even when MORE LIBERALS are saying "Merry Christmas", those who want to insist they are victims of a war on Christmas refuse to recognize the reality of it all...


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wow, sheesh, well sometimes folks are so inconsistent that it's hard to know where to start.
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"Christmas is A major holiday.
For Jews, Hanukkah is A major holiday of the season.
For others, Kwanzaa is A major holiday of the season.
Learn to share already. "
I'm sure the various Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim MAJOR holidays are MAJOR to them as well but we don't cover them with the term "Happy Holidays" when they occur through out the year in tandem with tradtional MAJOR holidays FI66. Sorry but your being dishonest here.
Again, show some honesty in accurately portraying what I am saying.

I am pointing out an alignment of multiple major holidays.
The funny thing is you can't point out ANY similar major holiday alignment.

I am not saying that other religions don't have major holidays.
I never said that.
Too much of the time your claims of "inconsistent" are just your misrepresentation of other people's statements.


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And using double talk and hypocrisy, Your saying in YOUR personal opinion those don't really count...
This is yet another of mr. wonder's dumb lies.
I never said those other holidays "don't really count".

I am saying they don't demonstrate a major alignment of major holidays in a relatively short time-frame.


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you're just cutting up my words and jabbering out anything against them. And going into a lot of tortured denials that make no logical sense.
The reason you can't comprehend is because you refuse to comprehend.
The only thing you want to hear is "war on christmas / christianity".
Nothing else makes sense to you...
Your failure to comprehend is not my fault.


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Sorry, Kwanzaa and Hanukkah are not MAJOR holidays in American society overall.
That's your opinion...
Perhaps your friend base is not that diverse.


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They are to certain groups OF COURSE. But they are specific to the Jewish faith and a small portion of Black Americans. Personal i don't anyone that celebrates Kwanzaa in my family, I think i know one guy that MIGHT celebrate it. My wife's from Africa, She'd never heard of it and none of her Nigerian friends or family celebrate it. But they ALL celebrate Christmas.
Look, I can't SHARE anything to MAKE those into MAJOR public holidays. saying "happy Holidays" certainly won't change that FACT.
You are so far lost with your focus right now it isn't even funny.
Nobody is saying that "Happy Holidays" will make anything a major public holiday.
NOBODY said that was the focus.

This is about wishing holiday greetings across the board.
You (and others) get pissy because you want to hear "Merry Christmas" and you assume offense if you hear "Happy Holidays".
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"...But I will ask this , are there ANY OTHER holidays where anyone here regularly uses or hears "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" instead of the singular holiday name?
4th of July? Halloween? Easter? Memorial Day? Presidents Day? New years Day even? Groundhog day? St Patrick's Day? Pearl Harbor Day?"

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"That question should really be qualified by you first.
Because "Happy Holidays" covers a few holidays all around the same time.
Is there any other equivalent that exists out there where such a thing would be relevant?"

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"uh yes, basically ALL of the other MAJOR holidays …typically called by name overtly… have many other holidays that are celebrated on the same day or nearby..
But just 2 examples: in the weeks of Feb there's Valentines Day, Lincoln's birthday, Presidents day, Maha Shivaratr (a Hindu Holiday) , Shrove Tuesday/Mardi Gras, and several other state holidays.
In May there's Cinco de Mayo, Yom Ha'atzmaut, Mother's Day, Memorial Day and a host of state holidays"

foundit66 — cheery picking what he doesn't like and moving the goal post—
"Who the #$&@ celebrates "Lincoln's birthday"?
Considering I would never even contemplate saying "Happy Lincoln's Birthday" in the first place, this is a rather lame comparison. Or maybe I should run with your comparison and ask why Christians are never proclaiming "war on Christianity" because nobody says "Happy Lincoln's Birthday"??? 
Hannukah is a major holiday. As is Christmas. Kwanzaa as well.
…The answer is right there in the open. Several major holidays all in the same season.
Instead of digging for Holidays that most people don't even acknowledge to one another, why don't you…"

then Foundit66 trys to narrow the use of “Happy Holidays” to ONLY store greeters.
"Riddle me this.
HOW OFTEN do you walk into a department store and hear "Happy Cinco de Mayo"?
HOW OFTEN do you walk into a department store and hear "Happy Memorial Day"?
HOW OFTEN do you walk into a department store and hear "Happy Yom Ha'atzmaut"?"

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I've never walk into a dept store and heard Happy Hannukah, or Happy Kwanzaa. Or seen any Kwanzaa or Hannukah decorations or signs, I've never seen any Yom Ha'atzmaut signs, but i have I've seen Happy Memorial day signs, and Happy Memorial day and Cinco de Mayo celebration decorations and Ads.
You make my point. some holidays are more prominent than others, and during THIS SEASON of the year CHRISTMAS is THE major holiday.
…In the case of Kwanzaa and Hannukah the don't rate as major in comparison to Christmas, or mothers day even. IF YOU are trying to say some holidays are in fact more SIGNIFICANT than others and therefore "Yom Ha'atzmaut" and Hindu holidays and other religious and secular holidays are OK to be ignored year after year in favor of "MAJOR" holidays like well St Patrick's Day ...cough... then fine.

foundit66— ignoring previous points and moving the goal post again
Hannukah / Kwanzaa / Christmas => Happy Holidays covers it all.
And as for the other stuff, you're making my point. There is no similar real alignment of major holidays by which we would substitute "Happy Holidays" to cover them all.

My original question was
Are there ANY OTHER holidays where anyone here regularly uses or hears "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" instead of the singular holiday name?
The simple honest answer to this is NO.
Foundit66 all your sideshow reply splitting responses and goal post moving does not work here.

Demanding that other holidays be aligned to your satisfaction and demanding the other holidays be up to your level of importance. “Who the #$%^ celebrates Lincolns birthday”.
Both are goal post moving demands that i suspect you will not admit have ever been met, just so you can somehow maintain the idea that ONLY using the term “Happy holidays” during Christmas somehow make sense. When by any objective standard the use is completely unique, and weirdly so since Christmas is easily the most MAJOR of all the MAJOR holidays.


But lets take a look. at your sad new goal post.
--Dec. 20 last day of Hannaka, Christmas, Dec 25, 1st day of Kwanzaa Dec 26--

here’s a few others
Feb 16, 2018 Chinese New Year
Feb 14, 2018 Valentines Day
Feb 13, 2018 Mardi Gras

Jun 18 Father's Day
Jun 19 Juneteenth

Jun 26 Eid al-Fitr (major Muslim holiday)
Jul 4 Independence Day

May 27 Ramadan starts
May 29 Memorial Day

Sep 2 Eid al-Adha (major Muslim holiday)
Sep 4 Labor Day
Sep 11 9/11 patriots day

Sep 30 Yom Kippur
Sep 30 Dussehra (Hindu Holiday)

Mar 12 Holi (Hindu Holiday)
Mar 12 Purim(Jewish holiday)
Mar 17 St. Patrick's Day

Anyone use, hear or see "Happy Holidays" for those groups of "major" holidays?
the answer is no.
And there's NO LOGICAL reason why not, if the real basis for "Happy Holidays" use is, as stated by some here, simply to be kind, respectful, acknowledge and "share" the time/greeting with other people's holidays.

And when we add the odd use of "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" with all the minor complaints and legal actions about decorations, plays, and music... Again very unique to Christmas... (ever hear anyone complain or have a lawsuit about people wearing green? Illegal Fireworks are the only other major holiday based "crime" i can think of.)

It makes sense to at least wonder why? and admit that SOMETHING somewhat anti-Christmas is going on.
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My original question was
Are there ANY OTHER holidays where anyone here regularly uses or hears "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" instead of the singular holiday name?
The simple honest answer to this is NO.
Foundit66 all your sideshow reply splitting responses and goal post moving does not work here.
I agree the simple answer is no.
I am explaining why it is no.

As I have pointed out numerous times, it is not just atheists who are saying "Happy Holidays".
But you want to proclaim it's all a vast "war on christmas" conspiracy theory.


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Demanding that other holidays be aligned to your satisfaction ...

KNOCK OFF this dishonest b.s. of yours.
NOBODY is demanding holidays align to anybody's satisfaction.
I have explained the reasoning.
Anybody who agrees is free to join in.
Anybody who disagrees is free to say "Merry Christmas" until they are blue in the face.

YOU ARE THE ONE with demands and YOU ARE THE ONE taking offense because people say "happy holidays".


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Both are goal post moving demands that i suspect you will not admit have ever been met, just so you can somehow maintain the idea that ONLY using the term “Happy holidays” during Christmas somehow make sense. When by any objective standard the use is completely unique, and weirdly so since Christmas is easily the most MAJOR of all the MAJOR holidays.

In your opinion.
And quite frankly, if it weren't for the blatant commercialization and capitalism infiltration of the holidays, I think there would be a marked difference in observation.
THE PAGAN RITUAL ASPECTS which make it popular.

And for the record, I am giving my opinion.
That is not "goal post moving".
You blindly want me to say "No" and want to insert your own reasoning while you ignore my own explanation.
Repudiating your absurd conspiracy theory idea is not "goal-post moving".


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But lets take a look. at your sad new goal post.
--Dec. 20 last day of Hannaka, Christmas, Dec 25, 1st day of Kwanzaa Dec 26--

here’s a few others
Feb 16, 2018 Chinese New Year
Feb 14, 2018 Valentines Day
Feb 13, 2018 Mardi Gras
Again, asking the question which you ignored earlier.
HOW MANY TIMES do you enter a shopping store and have somebody tell you "Happy Chinese New Year"???
HOW MANY TIMES do you enter a shopping store and have somebody tell you "Happy Mardis Gras"???

Hannukah, Kwanzaa and Christmas are three major holidays.
And to compare, you toss out crap which the vast majority of people never even touch...


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Anyone use, hear or see "Happy Holidays" for those groups of "major" holidays?
the answer is no.
How many times do people ever see a department store greeter announce the vast majority of those on your list?
The honest answer is NEVER.


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And there's NO LOGICAL reason why not, if the real basis for "Happy Holidays" use is, as stated by some here, simply to be kind, respectful, acknowledge and "share" the time/greeting with other people's holidays.
This has already been explained to you ad nausieum.
At this stage, you are just repeating yourself.

I don't live anywhere near "Mardis Gras" so NOBODY ever wishes that.
The vast majority of your list never get any acknowledgement in the first place.

Hannukah? Christmas? Kwanzaa?
YES.


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And when we add the odd use of "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" with all the minor complaints and legal actions about decorations, plays, and music... Again very unique to Christmas... (ever hear anyone complain or have a lawsuit about people wearing green? Illegal Fireworks are the only other major holiday based "crime" i can think of.)
Separation of church and state and wishing multiple holidays a season greetings are two entirely different situations.


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It makes sense to at least wonder why? and admit that SOMETHING somewhat anti-Christmas is going on.
No. It really doesn't.

As I asked earlier (and you were too cowardly to address it), HOW MANY DEPARTMENT STORES say "Happy Holidays"?
Now, HOW MANY DEPARTMENT STORES say "Happy Holidays" and are not headed by Christians?

Christians make up the vast majority of those wanting to wish general season greetings, but you want to blindly declare it's all about hating christmas / christianity???
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I agree the simple answer is no.
I am explaining why it is no.
and i've explained why you explanations are piss poor.

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As I have pointed out numerous times, it is not just atheists who are saying "Happy Holidays".
STRAWMAN: where in my post did i say it was "just atheists".
the truth is i did not.
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But you want to proclaim it's all a vast "war on Christmas" conspiracy theory.
STRAWMAN: Sheesh you can't help yourself.
Mr. Wonder: "for me one thing is interesting. In the other thread IN MY 1st post i said that the term "war on Christmas" was hyperbolic. but that comment was consistently ignored to attack a strawman." Post # 39

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KNOCK OFF this dishonest b.s. of yours.
NOBODY is demanding holidays align to anybody's satisfaction.
...
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I am saying they don't demonstrate a major alignment of major holidays in a relatively short time-frame.
yes yes yes they don't align to YOUR satisfaction foundit66.

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Again, asking the question which you ignored earlier.
HOW MANY TIMES do you enter a shopping store and have somebody tell you "Happy Chinese New Year"???
HOW MANY TIMES do you enter a shopping store and have somebody tell you "Happy Mardis Gras"???
I've never heard "Happy Chinese New Year" or Happy Kawanza, or Happy Hannukah that's my point.
NONE of the other traditionally celebrated/mentioned holidays ARE verbally displaced because of lesser known ones. And there NO good reason why Christmas should be.
Kawanza, or Hannukah, or Chinese New Year etc were never used as store greetings or signage or ads. they are NOT major holidays.

I HAVE heard MERRY CHRISTMAS regularly for DECADES. less so recently.
CHRISTMAS is the ONLY major holiday of the season and arguably the major holiday of the Year.

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Hannukah, Kwanzaa and Christmas are three major holidays.
And to compare, you toss out crap which the vast majority of people never even touch...
wow, um Foundit66, the vast majority of people NEVER touch Hannukah or Kwanzaa. youre just desperate, trying to pretend that they are. Less than 3% of Americans are Jewish. and less than 16% are Black and of the blacks MAYBE 10% of us celebrate Kwanzaa. These holidays are not MAJOR by any objective standard.
Muslims Americans make up about 2% so objectively their holidays are JUST AS "major" as Hannukah or Kwanzaa.
DON'T YOU WANT TO SHARE foundit66?
No, your concern about acknowledging other holidays seems to be BS since you call other people's religious and other holidays "CRAP" when it serves your purpose.

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Christians make up the vast majority of those wanting to wish general season greetings, but you want to blindly declare it's all about hating christmas / christianity???
Christians make up the vast majority .. but the country still has, high divorce rates, legal homosexual marriage, legal Abortion, a thriving porn industry, unacknowledged racism, unneeded poverty, Trump and Hillary were presidential candidates etc etc..
Sadly there's a LOT of thing that many Christians do that don't align with what we claim to believe. "Happy Holidays" doesn't really rank on the scale as a serious issue. Again I say it's NOT a war. but it is something and may simply be a minor symptom of a larger problem. but to claim that Atheist haven't had any influence in the changes is just BS. there aren't that many TRANS in the U.S. or Canada but they've manage to get bathroom rules changed and challenged across north america, and managed to get PRONOUN laws changed in NYC and Canada that have people in FEAR of offending. same principal applies.
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and i've explained why you explanations are piss poor.
Because you refuse to listen to what I am saying...


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STRAWMAN: where in my post did i say it was "just atheists".
the truth is i did not.
So, are you saying CHRISTIANS ARE ALSO INVOLVED in this supposed war on Christmas?
Is that your position?


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STRAWMAN: Sheesh you can't help yourself.
Mr. Wonder: "for me one thing is interesting. In the other thread IN MY 1st post i said that the term "war on Christmas" was hyperbolic. but that comment was consistently ignored to attack a strawman." Post # 39
Nothing in my statement repudiates a hyperbolic acknowledgement...


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yes yes yes they don't align to YOUR satisfaction foundit66.

NOWHERE did I say "to my satisfaction".
I am talking about my opinion and my justification for that opinion.
NOWHERE did I say I was dissatisfied with others who don't likewise think that.

In fact, IT IS YOU who are obviously dissatisfied that I don't think like you.
What I am truly "dissatisfied" over is this b.s., passive-aggressive crap you pull whereby you pretend you are somehow victimized by somebody else saying "Happy Holidays".


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I've never heard "Happy Chinese New Year" or Happy Kawanza, or Happy Hannukah that's my point.
Can you appreciate I HAVE HEARD THAT???
I HAVE SAID THAT to others.

Like I said earlier, you may not have that diverse of an environment.
But your condemnation for others that do and act accordingly is ridiculous.
The fact that you pretend you are somehow victimized by somebody acknowledging such diversity is abhorrent!


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NONE of the other traditionally celebrated/mentioned holidays ARE verbally displaced because of lesser known ones. And there NO good reason why Christmas should be.
It's about having an all inclusive setting, where one is warranted.
You seem to think it's NEVER warranted. And that is your opinion.
You are entitled to it.
NOBODY is telling you that you have to behave differently...

BUT OTHERS DO NOT SHARE THAT POSITION and thus you take as essentially insult and attack when others act on a position / understanding that it is SOMETIMES warranted.
THAT is what you refuse to get...


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Kawanza, or Hannukah, or Chinese New Year etc were never used as store greetings or signage or ads. they are NOT major holidays.
Oh dear gawd man. None are so blind as those that refuse to see.
When people say "Happy Holidays", THEY ARE BEING USED as inclusive store greetings.


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wow, um Foundit66, the vast majority of people NEVER touch Hannukah or Kwanzaa. youre just desperate, trying to pretend that they are. Less than 3% of Americans are Jewish. and less than 16% are Black and of the blacks MAYBE 10% of us celebrate Kwanzaa. These holidays are not MAJOR by any objective standard.

Not major BY YOUR standards...

And that is where you fail in this overview.
You fail to appreciate others have different standards.
So if a department store wants to be inclusive to that additional 13-19%, that's their choice.

And more to your fixation, you need to STOP TAKING IT PERSONAL because they give a more generic greeting...


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Christians make up the vast majority .. but the country still has, high divorce rates, legal homosexual marriage, legal Abortion, a thriving porn industry, unacknowledged racism, unneeded poverty, Trump and Hillary were presidential candidates etc etc..
Sadly there's a LOT of thing that many Christians do that don't align with what we claim to believe. "Happy Holidays" doesn't really rank on the scale as a serious issue. Again I say it's NOT a war.
Knock it the hell off already!
Nobody has said you claim it is a literal war. So stop falling back on that line that nobody has any confusion on.

You have made it clear YOU TAKE OFFENSE to people saying "Happy Holidays".
You have made it clear YOU INTERPRET A NEGATIVE REASONING for people saying "Happy Holidays".

So instead of obfuscating the question and its point, ANSWER IT.
Since there are a great many Christians who say "Happy Holidays", DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE MOTIVATED BY INSTIGATING A HYPERBOLIC ATTACK ON CHRISTMAS / CHRISTIANITY???
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Since it has been acknowledged that far more people take offense at "Happy Holidays!" than take offense at "Merry Christmas!" it would seem to beg the question: Just why would so many people wish to offend as many people as possible?

And why would a generic greeting be preferable to a specific one?

As an example of the latter point: I never say "they," "them," or "their," when only one person (of unspecified gender) is the subject of the sentence. Rather, I say, "he or she," "him or her," or "his or hers."
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Post Re: Do you think the "War on Christmas" is real?

Anybody else want to apply the term POLITICALLY CORRECT to the mentality of some insisting others shouldn't offend?


If it were the right-wing issuing the offense, they would be quick to point out that it's up to people to own their reactions to things instead of dictating to society what terminology should be used...


And further more, there is a continued perpetuation of assumed significance to this supposed "problem" ... (Talking specifically about "Happy Holidays".)
Earlier, I asked people What business is actually telling people to say "Happy Holidays" this season?
Nobody answered. My bet is the right-wingers have nobody in mind but they are too busy being poutraged at the idea that it could be happening...

And also, as I've pointed out, several liberals (more than the # of conservatives) on these two "war on Christmas" threads have been happy to throw out the "Merry Christmas" greeting.
Amusingly, the number of conservatives willing to return the greeting has been limited. Too busy taking offense at the idea of others saying "Happy Holidays", I guess...
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