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Old 08-24-2017, 04:12 PM
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Nine percent of Americans say neo-Nazi and white supremacist views are acceptable, according to a new survey conducted in the days after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

While an overwhelming 83% of Americans said they opposed the far-right ideology, 9% said it was acceptable. The remaining 8% said they had no opinion, according to a Washington Post- ABC poll.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3430885

Welcome to our reality.
Some people are taking a stand and speaking out against it.
Others are obfuscating and denying the problem.
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The question is about acceptability of holding these views, not if you hold these views yourself. Would anyone else have a hard time answering the question? Might be tricky. Better questions could've been used. Even with this flaw just 3% strongly agree. Am I reading this right?



http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-con...ottesville.pdf

Question 7. Do you yourself feel it is acceptable or unacceptable to hold neo-nazi or white supremacist views? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

Strongly = 3% Somewhat 5% Net = 9%
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The question is about acceptability of holding these views, not if you hold these views yourself. Would anyone else have a hard time answering the question? Might be tricky. Better questions could've been used. Even with this flaw just 3% strongly agree. Am I reading this right?
I would see any agreement as problematic.

Do you think white supremacy views are "acceptable"?

What slays me is how the right will byatch and moan about Kaepernick taking a knee.
Or whether or not transgenders can serve in the military.

Those things are NOT acceptable to many on the right.

But with white supremacy views, suddenly you want to talk about whether it being "acceptable" is not a valid question...



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Question 7. Do you yourself feel it is acceptable or unacceptable to hold neo-nazi or white supremacist views? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?
Strongly = 3% Somewhat 5% Net = 9%
And I would say that the 8% who are "indifferent" are also problematic.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

Refusing to even take an opinion on the views of white supremacists is clearly a demonstrator of "doing nothing".
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:56 PM
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I would see any agreement as problematic.

Do you think white supremacy views are "acceptable"?

What slays me is how the right will byatch and moan about Kaepernick taking a knee.
Or whether or not transgenders can serve in the military.

Those things are NOT acceptable to many on the right.

But with white supremacy views, suddenly you want to talk about whether it being "acceptable" is not a valid question...




And I would say that the 8% who are "indifferent" are also problematic.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

Refusing to even take an opinion on the views of white supremacists is clearly a demonstrator of "doing nothing".
Bullsh*t question...It doesn't specify if they're asking from a cultural or legal standpoint...

I find their "views" unacceptable from cultural standpoint, but I also believe in the Constitution which allows ALL speech irrelevant of being "acceptable" or not...

What I'm waiting for is the media to ask "Is it OK to shut down speech and overrule the Constitution if you think that certain speech is "too unacceptable"?...

Of course, the media will NEVER ask that question...The double-digit "yes" votes would show the Lefty a$$holes for what they are...

...and we just can't have that...
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I would see any agreement as problematic.

Do you think white supremacy views are "acceptable"?

What slays me is how the right will byatch and moan about Kaepernick taking a knee.
Or whether or not transgenders can serve in the military.

Those things are NOT acceptable to many on the right.

But with white supremacy views, suddenly you want to talk about whether it being "acceptable" is not a valid question...




And I would say that the 8% who are "indifferent" are also problematic.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

Refusing to even take an opinion on the views of white supremacists is clearly a demonstrator of "doing nothing".
It's not Burke it's Big Brother you are reflecting. Unless we all participate in the hatefest enthusiastically then you are a racist as well. The American cultural revolution requires uniformity in thought and purging those who don't just like Chairman Mail's did.

Do White Supremacist views include objecting to reparations for slavery or affirmative action? Are "white" people required to be ashamed due to white privilege as even the ACLU was recently? If your name is similar to a Confederate General does that make you a white supremacist, one of them, someone to be assaulted or just shunned?
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The question is about acceptability of holding these views, not if you hold these views yourself.
That's how I read it. I personally oppose those views, but I believe a person has the right to hold those views. A better wording of the question would have been Do you agree with neo-nazi or white supremacist views?

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I would see any agreement as problematic.
Agreeing that someone has the right to hold a view isn't the same as endorsing those views. I agree with Zoriolus about the way the question was worded. Some in that 9% might hold MY view, which is that people have a right to their beliefs although I can disagree with those beliefs.
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I find neo-nazi views vehemently repugnant. I have no desire to associate in any way with someone holding these views.

That being said, when you say it's "unacceptable" for someone to hold a view. That means, you cannot allow them to hold said view.

So how do you force them to stop holding a view? Yelling at them, imprisoning them, fining them, getting them fired, not allowing them to hold any sort of job whatsoever, beating them up. None of these things are going to stop them from holding their views.

Some people will stop holding their views if you show them they are wrong through kindness and love.

As for the rest, what are you going to do?

Haul them out in the street and put a bullet in their head?

If you aren't willing to do that, you are just going to have to accept that they hold those views and move on.

What ever happened to "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it"?

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My only surprise is that even nine percent of Americans say that "neo-Nazi and white supremacist views are acceptable."

It should also be emphasized that the Marxist and anarchist views represented by some of the protestors in Charlottesville recently are highly unacceptable.

There is a middle ground.

Oh, an addendum: The Nazis are actually a part of the far left. (The word, "Nazi," is short for national socialist. And all forms of socialism tend to be left of center.)
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That's how I read it. I personally oppose those views, but I believe a person has the right to hold those views. A better wording of the question would have been Do you agree with neo-nazi or white supremacist views?

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Agreeing that someone has the right to hold a view isn't the same as endorsing those views. I agree with Zoriolus about the way the question was worded. Some in that 9% might hold MY view, which is that people have a right to their beliefs although I can disagree with those beliefs.
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Bullsh*t question...It doesn't specify if they're asking from a cultural or legal standpoint...
Seriously?
Is this the b.s. response you want to throw out there?

How many opinion polls do we have around here where people think the question was being raised for individual citizenry's "legal standpoint"???



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I find their "views" unacceptable from cultural standpoint, but I also believe in the Constitution which allows ALL speech irrelevant of being "acceptable" or not...
Do you recognize what you did just there?
The blue portion was a direct commentary on the actual question raised.
But for the Dark Red portion, you had to insert words which were not in the actual question raised to people.

Why is it so tough for right-wingers to acknowledge significant racism still exists in our society?

The reality is that 4 in 5 people had the common sense and moral turpitude to answer the question directly.
A much smaller fraction looked for some way to weasel out of recognizing simple English...


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What I'm waiting for is the media to ask "Is it OK to shut down speech and overrule the Constitution if you think that certain speech is "too unacceptable"?...
Of course, the media will NEVER ask that question...The double-digit "yes" votes would show the Lefty a$$holes for what they are...
This is how repugnant some tactics on the right are these days.
We should be united in opposition to white supremacists.
"should be" being the operative term.

But some right-wingers want to try to attack counter-protests against white supremacy as evil.

"overrule the constitution"?
The first amendment prohibits the government from infringing upon free speech. Counter-protests are fine.
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