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Old 07-31-2017, 12:31 PM
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Translation: Anybody who doesn't agree with your opinion is stupid.
No, more like people are not being taught critical thinking skills, and are taught "what to think" in our schools and instead are being taught how to think. That leads people to dispense with logic when faced with such questions and immediately look for the politically correct answer that makes everyone feel good.
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I have no issue with someone serving in the military if they have not gone through physical reassignment, or, after reassignment, have passed a mental health evaluation, before duty at other than a 'desk job'.

The key being the re-adjustment period. If they are not confident in their new physical self, then they WILL be distracted, and could pose a problem for their fellow soldiers.

If their position is such that they have a desk type job where they do not see actual combat, then there is no issue really.
While there may be clerical positions in the military, they are still soldiers and need to be ready for combat. Therefore, they must continue to meet the criteria for all of those that may or may not be thrust into a combat situation.
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While there may be clerical positions in the military, they are still soldiers and need to be ready for combat. Therefore, they must continue to meet the criteria for all of those that may or may not be thrust into a combat situation.
And I would think my previous qualifications would come into play. Transgenders have themselves admitted that during and immediately after their transition, they have a bit of a time of it adjusting. That is the period that I feel they should be kept from combat duty.

Other than that, what would be the problem? Who cares if they used to have one anatomy part and traded it for another?
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And I would think my previous qualifications would come into play. Transgenders have themselves admitted that during and immediately after their transition, they have a bit of a time of it adjusting. That is the period that I feel they should be kept from combat duty.

Other than that, what would be the problem? Who cares if they used to have one anatomy part and traded it for another?
What you are suggesting sounds reasonable. Until you consider that someone could avoid combat, yet receive all the benefits of a military career, by asking for a transgender surgery as subsequent "safe" career re-assignment as well.

Is that fair? And how is that in the best interest of the military which, of necessity, needs multiple interchangeability?
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What you are suggesting sounds reasonable. Until you consider that someone could avoid combat, yet receive all the benefits of a military career, by asking for a transgender surgery as subsequent "safe" career re-assignment as well.

Is that fair? And how is that in the best interest of the military which, of necessity, needs multiple interchangeability?
Besides cost, imagine all of the TIME spent going through transitional medicine and hormones, plus all of the surgical procedures and healing...All while getting paid by the taxdollar...I'm surprised transgenders have any time to do any actual militarying...
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What you are suggesting sounds reasonable. Until you consider that someone could avoid combat, yet receive all the benefits of a military career, by asking for a transgender surgery as subsequent "safe" career re-assignment as well.

Is that fair? And how is that in the best interest of the military which, of necessity, needs multiple interchangeability?
Does anyone else who served in a non-combat position fall into the same criteria as 'receiving all the benefits of a military career' that you are critical of? Don't you think it would be a bit extreme for someone to go through such surgery in order to avoid combat duty? Of course there maybe a couple who would, but it's not going to happen while they are on active duty in a foreign country (think Klinger, if you will)

I did specify 'during the surgery and re-adjustment period'. Once deemed mentally fit to return to combat duty (or eligible to be called up for such) why should they not serve in that capacity?

And just to clarify, no, I don't believe the military should be paying for said surgery. Most employers wouldn't, so why should the military, as their 'employer' be any different?
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Who cares if they used to have one anatomy part and traded it for another?
I care that Congress voted to fund reassignment surgery, which is strictly elective, while many veterans aren't receiving the vital, NON-elective care that they need. I care that some will see free reassignment surgery as an incentive to join the military. I care that gender dysphoria is a mental illness that political correctness has determined should not be treated like any other mental illness, even though other mental illness disqualifies one to join the military.
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I care that Congress voted to fund reassignment surgery, which is strictly elective, while many veterans aren't receiving the vital, NON-elective care that they need. I care that some will see free reassignment surgery as an incentive to join the military. I care that gender dysphoria is a mental illness that political correctness has determined should not be treated like any other mental illness, even though other mental illness disqualifies one to join the military.
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And just to clarify, no, I don't believe the military should be paying for said surgery. Most employers wouldn't, so why should the military, as their 'employer' be any different?
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I care that Congress voted to fund reassignment surgery, which is strictly elective, while many veterans aren't receiving the vital, NON-elective care that they need. I care that some will see free reassignment surgery as an incentive to join the military. I care that gender dysphoria is a mental illness that political correctness has determined should not be treated like any other mental illness, even though other mental illness disqualifies one to join the military.
OMG talk about not seeing the forest.
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Majority of kids believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3fsb3ak1I
Up to what age H.J.? I was around 6 to 7 years old and learned Santa was not real... ,

You know what I see in this;

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When asked to weigh in on the debate, 58 percent of adults agreed with the statement, "Transgender people should be allowed to serve in the military." Twenty-seven percent said they should not while the rest answered "don't know."

Democrats mostly supported military service by transgender Americans while Republicans were more evenly split.

Among Republicans, 32 percent said transgender Americans should be allowed to serve, while 49 percent said they should not. Another 19 percent of Republicans said they don't know.

The public was also divided over the impact of banning transgender service members. Some 32 percent said it would "hurt morale" in the military while 17 percent said it would "improve morale." Another 33 percent felt it would "have no impact" and the rest said they don't know.

When asked about the impact on military capabilities, 14 percent said prohibiting transgender service members made the military "more capable" while 43 percent said "no impact," 22 percent said "less capable" and the rest said they don't know.
Quite frankly it shows just how fickle people are.. That is except the same group that favor all types of weird, strange or plain different, the Dems...

So maybe they should pay the costs for all this extra cost to be different.
Heck the Dems have quite a few billionaires as well as plenty of millionaires.
So pay for what you make every one else deal with as normal.
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