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Yes 4 17.39%
No 15 65.22%
Maybe. And I'm leaning toward Yes 1 4.35%
Maybe. But I'm leaning toward No 3 13.04%
No. And I don't care what the historical proof might show. 0 0%
I don't know. 0 0%
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Old 10-08-2007, 02:10 PM
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USA Meant to be a Govt. Consistent w/Christian Scriptures?

Did the Founding Fathers intend for the United States to have a government that was consistent with Christian scriptures?

I say yes.

How about you?
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I don't think it really matters at this point...the separation of Church and State has become such a pervasive principle in our political and legal philosophy that what was "intended" then and what actually is now don't necessarily have to be congruent. Besides, the Constitution is a living, evolving document. Who's to say in another 100 years or so we don't find ourselves swinging back in the direction of scripturally based legal codes?
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Question Re: USA Meant to be a Govt. Consistent w/Christian Scriptures?

What is meant by "consistent with Christian scripture"?

Does it mean that governmental law should not violate Christian scripture?
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I don't think it really matters at this point...the separation of Church and State has become such a pervasive principle in our political and legal philosophy that what was "intended" then and what actually is now don't necessarily have to be congruent. Besides, the Constitution is a living, evolving document. Who's to say in another 100 years or so we don't find ourselves swinging back in the direction of scripturally based legal codes?
Yes, and let's start toward that today.
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What is meant by "consistent with Christian scripture"?

Does it mean that governmental law should not violate Christian scripture?
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Their greatest concern was to establish a government consistent with the scriptures 1

We learn from the Colonial Records of the Massachusetts Buy that as far back as May 1636 The Governor the Deputy Governor Thomas Dudley John Haynes Richard Bellingham Esquires Mr Cotton Mr Peters and Mr Shepherd are entreated to make a draught of laws agreeable to the word of God which may be the Fundamentals of this Commonwealth and to present the same to the next General Court and it is ordered that in the meantime the magistrates and their associates shall proceed in the Courts to hear and determine all causes according to the laws now established and where there is no law then as near the laws of God as they can.

The only outcome of this according to Winthrop's Journal seems to have been that in December of that same year Mr Cotton being requested by the General Court with some other ministers to assist some of the magistrates in compiling a body of fundamental laws did this Court present a copy of Moses his judicials compiled in an exact method which were taken into further consideration till the next General Court (Journal, p. 202.)

In the year 1642 Mr Charles Chauncey afterwards President of Harvard College and described by Cotton Mather in the days when Cotton was king as another Elijah shedding his benign influence over the school of the prophets like President Eliot in reply to certain queries propounded by Gov William Bradford replied with other assertions: 1 Carlyle said in his Inaugural Address at Edinburgh in 1866, "They wanted to make the nation altogether conformable to the Hebrew Bible, which they, and all men understood to be the exact transcript of the Will of God."
Page 163

But also check from page 158 onward.
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I am Christian, but I truly don't believe that our founding father wanted have government controlled by Biblical Scripture. Biblical interpretation is a human thing. Many times the scripture is interpreted by people who want political power, and it can even be rewritten to show a particular point of view. sometime the Modern versions of the Bible seem say that changes have been made to make it easier to understand. That is just mumbo jumbo for writing it my way. I use the King James version in the church I belong to, but I have actually read three other versions of the bible, and studied other versions on line.

1. Europe 1776 was still involved in religious strife, which had been going on for hundreds of years, between catholics and catholics, protestant and protestants, protestant and catholic, between Orthodox and Catholic or protestant, and between moslems and christians.. Some strife was happening in the Virginia Colony and other colonies which had adopted the Church of England as the colony state church. Under the Articles of Confederation.


Before getting degrees in counseling, I have earned a Bachelors with a duel majors in European and American history.

Many of our founders were Christians of different faiths. A large group of our founders, including 3 presidents were Free Masons. Get any decent history book from any college library and read.

There are transcriptions of the constitutional convention in the Library of Congress.

Our founder basically took a look at Europe and hundreds of years of religious death, and said NO

The first amendment refers to government. The freedom of speech, religion, and assembly were put together on purpose in one amendment. There is was much talk of freedom from Religion at the convention, but those word were not put in because MANY OF the founders were christian. yet they did not want religious strife and death in the United States. So we ended up with the bill of rights. which was ratified by first thirteen states, and even that was not easy process. One state held out for a while, but I cannot remember which one. In the preamble of the constitution, it say the government OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, AND BY THE PEOPLE.

Later the constitution was interpreted by our founders in the first first halls of congress and by Washington, Jefferson, Adams in the executive.

So after 40 years of work, ended up free, without a state religion, People can say, think, or write what ever they want.

Right wingers and sometimes left wingers really hate this freedom that our founders worked for 40 years to give us.

We ended up with America, not some strange political theocracy.

Those who want to change this are like Bush, Stupid. they want to use religion to get and hold political power. Not for the love of Jesus, but for the love of power
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They don't give a dam whether you are saved or not, even though they will preach and sermonize forever about the state of your soul. They just want control, wealth, and power. The same stuff happened in Europe for hundreds of years.

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I am Christian, but I truly don't believe that our founding father wanted have government controlled by Biblical Scripture. Biblical interpretation is a human thing. Many times the scripture is interpreted by people who want political power, and it can even be rewritten to show a particular point of view. sometime the Modern versions of the Bible seem say that changes have been made to make it easier to understand. That is just mumbo jumbo for writing it my way. I use the King James version in the church I belong to, but I have actually read three other versions of the bible, and studied other versions on line.

1. Europe 1776 was still involved in religious strife, which had been going on for hundreds of years, between catholics and catholics, protestant and protestants, protestant and catholic, between Orthodox and Catholic or protestant, and between moslems and christians.. Some strife was happening in the Virginia Colony and other colonies which had adopted the Church of England as the colony state church. Under the Articles of Confederation.


Before getting degrees in counseling, I have earned a Bachelors with a duel majors in European and American history.

Many of our founders were Christians of different faiths. A large group of our founders, including 3 presidents were Free Masons. Get any decent history book from any college library and read.

There are transcriptions of the constitutional convention in the Library of Congress.

Our founder basically took a look at Europe and hundreds of years of religious death, and said NO

The first amendment refers to government. The freedom of speech, religion, and assembly were put together on purpose in one amendment. There is was much talk of freedom from Religion at the convention, but those word were not put in because MANY OF the founders were christian. yet they did not want religious strife and death in the United States. So we ended up with the bill of rights. which was ratified by first thirteen states, and even that was not easy process. One state held out for a while, but I cannot remember which one. In the preamble of the constitution, it say the government OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, AND BY THE PEOPLE.

Later the constitution was interpreted by our founders in the first first halls of congress and by Washington, Jefferson, Adams in the executive.

So after 40 years of work, ended up free, without a state religion, People can say, think, or write what ever they want.

Right wingers and sometimes left wingers really hate this freedom that our founders worked for 40 years to give us.

We ended up with America, not some strange political theocracy.

Those who want to change this are like Bush, Stupid. they want to use religion to get and hold political power. Not for the love of Jesus, but for the love of power
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They don't give a dam whether you are saved or not, even though they will preach and sermonize forever about the state of your soul. They just want control, wealth, and power. The same stuff happened in Europe for hundreds of years.
the last paragraph is just my opinion.
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But also check from page 158 onward.
1636?
1642?

Just out of curiousity, which of our "founding fathers" was actually alive at that time?

While I have no doubt that there have been men in U.S. history who wished to establish a more "theocratical" approach to government, the FOUNDING FATHERS were specified.
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Yes, and let's start toward that today.
Lets not and just avoid the whole situation they currently have in the middle east...
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