USA Meant to be a Govt. Consistent w/Christian Scriptures? - Page 8

KnightOfSappho · #71 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Noblese_Oblige

I don't agree with you interpretation that the reason, at least originally, that there are so many sects of Christianity is due to differing interpretations.

The Church was mostly united until Martin Luther.

But the differences, in the very begininng, were related to different interpretations, but the early Christians kind of persecuted the "heretics"

so I guess in a way you are right.

Have you read the Gospel of Thomas?

The Great Schism took place partially because of politics and partially because of politics and partially because of a difference in opinion about the filoque clause and other bits of doctrine.

Before that point, the church, if I remember correctly, had wiped out competing forms of Christianity (such as the Gnostics.) In short, anyone with a different idea about Christianity was declared a heretic and killed.

Part of the reason why, IMO, the protestant churches were allowed to develop was BECAUSE the Schism had already happened.

I'm curious... Why do YOU think there are so many different forms of Christianity?

Edited to add:

Yes. I have read the Gospel of Thomas. I have also read many of the surviving Gnostic works.

KnightOfSappho · #72 (**permalink**) 11-03-2007, 07:58 PM

Can we all agree that the Constitution is designed to be 'adjustable' for the society?

'Living' MAY well be the wrong term, in the end analysis, but I think that we can all see that our Constitution is designed to work with whatever issue that comes up.

IMO, it is a work of genius.

dragonslayer · #73 (**permalink**) 11-11-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

USA Meant to be a Govt. Consistent w/Christian Scriptures?

Did the Founding Fathers intend for the United States to have a government that was consistent with Christian scriptures?

I say yes.

How about you?

the Constitution set us up to have great nation without religious war like they were having in Europe just before America was founded. You bring in your christian scriptures and interpretation, it would interfer with my christian favorite scriptures and interpretation and we could have hundreds of years of religious warfare.

No matter what you are trying to say there is lot of differences between christian churches, teachings and interpretation. Would it be alright for me to Kill you because you don't go to my church and don't accept the teaching of my minister.

Keep church out of government.

I THINK IT IS BEEEE-ELZABUB, THE ENEMY OF MANKIND, WHO IS WORKING TO GET CHURCH INTO GOVERNMENT BECAUSE HE LIKE DEATH AND KILLING.

cnredd · #74 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 03:57 AM

Proclamation of Thanksgiving

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The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies.

To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God.

In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People.

I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

Abraham Lincoln, 1863...

If he said that today, the ACLU would've had a collective anyuerism in their non-decorated offices...

saltwn · #75 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 05:37 AM

From the Magna Cart from which we still preserve our Habeas corpus laws:

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FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.

From our own Declaration:

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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

originally posted by bhkad:

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USA Meant to be a Govt. Consistent w/Christian Scriptures?

Yes.

dragonslayer · #76 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

1636?
1642?

Just out of curiousity, which of our "founding fathers" was actually alive at that time?

While I have no doubt that there have been men in U.S. history who wished to establish a more "theocratical" approach to government, the FOUNDING FATHERS were specified.

1636????????
1642????????

Our founders who attended the Constitutional convention all lived from the late 18th century through the early part of the 19th century. about 1750 to about 1830

forester814 · #77 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Proclamation of Thanksgiving

Abraham Lincoln, 1863...

If he said that today, the ACLU would've had a collective anyuerism in their non-decorated offices...

Oh, I don't know about that. W invokes God more than any modern president in my memory, and no one seems to get up in arms about it.

Well, no one important, anyway. This IS America, where people have a "right" to be offended by whatever they like... and use that right an awful lot.

Mikeyy · #78 (**permalink**) 12-24-2007, 12:08 AM

This is by far one of the dumbest questions I have seen on the site. Get a friggin life.

smithadam · #79 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008, 02:55 AM

There are many religions in US. How can we have consistent government service base on scriptures? Government must base with democracy.

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