After 2016 campaign, more Americans consider Russia a threat: Reuters/Ipsos poll

dabateman · #1 (**permalink**) 01-13-2017, 07:02 PM

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Americans are more concerned than they were before the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign began about the potential threat Russia poses to the country, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Friday.

The Jan. 9-12 survey found that 82 percent of American adults, including 84 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans, described Russia as a general "threat" to the United States. That's up from 76 percent in March 2015 when the same questions were asked.

The increased concern comes after a brutal election season during which Democrats and others raised questions about President-elect Donald Trump's financial ties to Russia and the U.S. intelligence community accused Russia of engaging in cyber attacks during the election.

So, the first argument the Republicans are gonna have is "polls suck." Okay, fine. Polls suck.

But for just a moment, let's assume this one is an accurate reflection of both 2015 and today. The overwhelming majority of Americans view Russia as a threat. Had all this Russia nonsense been out in full force prior to the election, you know... kinda like Comney did with the damned duplicate emails...

there is an excellent chance we would have President Hillary Clinton instead of Chancellor Cheeto.

Of course Chancellor Cheeto doesn't want you to look at this evidence. Hell, he spent weeks denying it and only recently accepted the fact he was beneficiary of Putin's meddling. This evidence would harm his Presidency, establishing from the get go it wasn't/isn't legitimate.

But it's just sour grapes.

Russian involvement isn't a big deal.

American's don't view Russia as a real threat.

Everyone does it.

AZRWinger · #2 (**permalink**) 01-13-2017, 07:48 PM

Oh really

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“The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

–President Obama, during the third presidential debate, Oct. 22, 2012

President Obama declared the cold war over for 20 years in 2012. Mocking Romney for listing the Russians as the top threat to the US. Obama assured Putin through Medvedev he would be more "flexible" after the election. Obama did virtually nothing in response to Russians hacking WH servers. Obama outsourced US Syrian policy to Putin.

Let's assume Obama's words and actions are his and no some space alien posing as our President.

It is obvious he didn't consider the Russians a threat. Oh but wait, when he thought the Russian boogeyman could be used as a partisan political weapon it became the most dire threat of all time.

All of the Democrat loving media, redundancy alert, has been drumming up fear of Russians ever since they received marching orders proclaiming "Russian meddling" responsible for Hillary's defeat. Poisoning the well for any constructive relationship with Russia doesn’t matter if it might undermine Trump. Democrat party over country, how transparently partisan.

dabateman · #3 (**permalink**) 01-13-2017, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Oh really

President Obama declared the cold war over for 20 years in 2012. Mocking Romney for listing the Russians as the top threat to the US. Obama assured Putin through Medvedev he would be more "flexible" after the election. Obama did virtually nothing in response to Russians hacking WH servers. Obama outsourced US Syrian policy to Putin.

Let's assume Obama's words and actions are his and no some space alien posing as our President.

It is obvious he didn't consider the Russians a threat. Oh but wait, when he thought the Russian boogeyman could be used as a partisan political weapon it became the most dire threat of all time.

All of the Democrat loving media, redundancy alert, has been drumming up fear of Russians ever since they received marching orders proclaiming "Russian meddling" responsible for Hillary's defeat. Poisoning the well for any constructive relationship with Russia doesn’t matter if it might undermine Trump. Democrat party over country, how transparently partisan.

Typical goal-post moving bullsh*t on your part...

The Russians have been an issue for years, even from Faux News and BigLiars who were critical of Obama not taking Russia on head to head and now, they're busy servicing Trump like those prostitutes in Russia.

AZRWinger · #4 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Typical goal-post moving bullsh*t on your part...

The Russians have been an issue for years, even from Faux News and BigLiars who were critical of Obama not taking Russia on head to head and now, they're busy servicing Trump like those prostitutes in Russia.

Denial is a strategy for you just not a good one. So typical for you to avoid any reasoned response and hurl childish insults.

As documented in my earlier comment the Obama administration considered Russia at worst a minor problem prior to concocting the fake news of Russian meddling in our election. Your crude sloganeering doesn't disguise that fact.

The open Question is are you able to engage in adult discussion on the Democrats campaign of newly discovered Russian fear mongering?

saltwn · #5 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

After 2016 campaign, more Americans consider Russia a threat: Reuters/Ipsos poll

So, the first argument the Republicans are gonna have is "polls suck." Okay, fine. Polls suck.

But for just a moment, let's assume this one is an accurate reflection of both 2015 and today. The overwhelming majority of Americans view Russia as a threat. Had all this Russia nonsense been out in full force prior to the election, you know... kinda like Comney did with the damned duplicate emails...

there is an excellent chance we would have President Hillary Clinton instead of Chancellor Cheeto.

Of course Chancellor Cheeto doesn't want you to look at this evidence. Hell, he spent weeks denying it and only recently accepted the fact he was beneficiary of Putin's meddling. This evidence would harm his Presidency, establishing from the get go it wasn't/isn't legitimate.

But it's just sour grapes.

Russian involvement isn't a big deal.

American's don't view Russia as a real threat.

Everyone does it.

by gosh I hope Americans now consider Russia a threat

dabateman · #6 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Denial is a strategy for you just not a good one. So typical for you to avoid any reasoned response and hurl childish insults.

As documented in my earlier comment the Obama administration considered Russia at worst a minor problem prior to concocting the fake news of Russian meddling in our election. Your crude sloganeering doesn't disguise that fact.

The open Question is are you able to engage in adult discussion on the Democrats campaign of newly discovered Russian fear mongering?

Obama considered them to be a minor threat. Intelligence agencies and the American public considered them to be a major threat. Trump? Nahhhh... they're my besties!

But you don't care and can't explain it and, instead, are willing to defer to foreign dictators via Chancellor Cheeto.

Manitou · #7 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 05:07 PM

All I smell is a bunch of dumbasses who think they can topple Trump by showing their candy asses regarding the Russians.

cnredd · #8 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 08:18 PM

After media creates boogeyman to offset any Democrat blame, and splatters the news for 23 hours and 57 minutes out of every day, more Americans consider Russia a threat...

...go figure...

saltwn · #9 (**permalink**) 01-14-2017, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

After media creates boogeyman to offset any Democrat blame, and splatters the news for 23 hours and 57 minutes out of every day, more Americans consider Russia a threat...

...go figure...

you believe everything you see on cnn and fox

AZRWinger · #10 (**permalink**) 01-15-2017, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Obama considered them to be a minor threat. Intelligence agencies and the American public considered them to be a major threat. Trump? Nahhhh... they're my besties!

But you don't care and can't explain it and, instead, are willing to defer to foreign dictators via Chancellor Cheeto.

Once again you conjure up an imaginary scenario contrary to the facts. Obama mocked Romney for considering Russia a top threat, refused to supply the Ukrainians with weaponry to defend themselves from Russian agression then promised Putin he would be more flexible after the election. Hillary made a comical attempt to be more accomodation to the Russians with her reset button. Obama did virtually nothing in response to Russians hacking the WH servers. Oh but in your fun house mirror view it is Trump who wants to be "besties" with the Russians. No evidence required, you just "know".

Obama ordered his intelligence agencies to perform a rush investigation AKA partisan witch hunt into so-called Russian meddling in the election. Russians only became a terrible threat when they could be used as part of the Democrats dumpster fire undercutting the Trump administration while helping Putin with his disinformation campaign of a corrupted election. Democrats are acting as Putin's besties.

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