Assume Russia Involved Themselves in Our Election... - Page 5

Joe Shoe · #41 (**permalink**) 01-06-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

If you want to quibble, then quibble...

The right is more guilty of it.

Bullsh!t; prove it by numbers. You're just making stupid claims.

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Oh gawd. You're clueless on that subject as well.
SNOWDEN TRIED to follow the internal whistle-blower steps.
He was rebuffed and ignored.

Um ... wow dude, you're so eager to be argumentative, you don't even realize you just VALIDATED WHAT I SAID.

FrancSevin · #42 (**permalink**) 01-06-2017, 02:35 PM

According to James Clapper...;
Here's what is true: "The Russians did not hack into our voting machines."

Whether it was them or someone else who gave WikiLeaks the emails of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta what those emails demonstrated is clear.

The corrupt, liberal news media colluded with the Clinton campaign.
Some DNC staffers made anti-Semitic, misogynistic, racist, homophobic and sexist comments.
The DNC tried to discredit Bernie Sanders and rig the primary for Hillary Clinton

Speculations such as this Straw Man diversion prove nothing but who's side one is one. The left who did manipulate the election process,,,; or the right who voted in a new regime to replace them.

foundit66 · #43 (**permalink**) 01-09-2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Shoe

Bullsh!t; prove it by numbers. You're just making stupid claims.

This thread is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
If you want to demonstrate a counter-example for liberals, please feel free to do so.

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Originally Posted by Joe Shoe

Um ... wow dude, you're so eager to be argumentative, you don't even realize you just VALIDATED WHAT I SAID.

It's funny you think that.

Like I said, it's the process. Not "ends justify the means".

It's like baking a cake and you skip the step where you blend the ingredients.
If you jump straight to putting all the ingredients in the oven, it's not going to come out right.
FOLLOWING THE PROCESS is what your example is about.
Not "ends justify the means".

If this were an "ends justify the means" situation, then Snowden could have just decided to out the situation publicly FIRST STEP. And if the ends TRULY justified the means, nobody could complain.
But that's NOT what is the standard. It's the process that's important.

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

According to James Clapper...;
Here's what is true: "The Russians did not hack into our voting machines."

Here we are talking about apples.
FrancSevin wants to change the conversation to oranges.

This thread isn't about arguing whether the Soviets did it.
The question is If the soviets are assumed to have done it, would it be wrong.

Senior · #44 (**permalink**) 01-09-2017, 04:40 PM

For the lemming Trumpbots...

Donald Trump 'not denying Russia was behind hacking campaign', says Priebus

Yet another embarrassing Trump flip-flop after dissing the US intelligence community for three weeks. Vladimir "Witch Hunt" Putin played him like a cheap fiddle.

RedState · #45 (**permalink**) 01-09-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Senior

For the lemming Trumpbots...

Donald Trump 'not denying Russia was behind hacking campaign', says Priebus

Yet another embarrassing Trump flip-flop after dissing the US intelligence community for three weeks. Vladimir "Witch Hunt" Putin played him like a cheap fiddle.

Yep. And Furthermore both Trump and Conway both lie and say that the intelligence report shows that Russia failed to effect the election. Even though the report specifically does NOT make an attempt to evaluate the effect of the hacks.

And Trump himself mentioned the Wikileaks materials 164 times during the month leading up to Election Day. If they thought it was having no effect why mention something 164 times that did nothing for him?

What a great leader. He uses the best words. 164 times.

AZRWinger · #46 (**permalink**) 01-10-2017, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RedState

Yep. And Furthermore both Trump and Conway both lie and say that the intelligence report shows that Russia failed to effect the election. Even though the report specifically does NOT make an attempt to evaluate the effect of the hacks.

And Trump himself mentioned the Wikileaks materials 164 times during the month leading up to Election Day. If they thought it was having no effect why mention something 164 times that did nothing for him?

What a great leader. He uses the best words. 164 times.

Oh you are so right, Trump should have participated in the media blackout to ignore Democrats rigging the primary, corrupting Presidential Debates and coopting the media. After all, our President decreed the subject taboo, at least until a month after Hillary lost.

Speaking of Obama's assessment of the content exposed by Democrat disregard for rudimentary cyber security, he characterized it minor gossip of no consequence. But wait, Trump actually pointed out the content so Trump is evil so too drawing attention to Democrat corruption is evil by extention.

AZRWinger · #47 (**permalink**) 01-10-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Don't lie and pretend to speak for your colleagues.
Furthermore, the poll explicitly states Russia's involvement is ASSUMED to be true for the purposes of this poll.
This thread isn't about whether it is proven but rather about whether or not you guys can even admit it would be wrong if proven.

So you guys trying to say *we can't vote for your biased poll but we all agree Russia meddling is wrong* is just downright idiotic.
The whole point of the poll is to demonstrate whether you guys can actually put down the fact that you admit that if assumed true it would be wrong.

The level of cognitive dissonance from the right on this thread is downright amazing.
Actually, it's pathological.

Translation: Another right-wing thread derailment attempt.
You are completely free to start your own thread whining about "delegitimizing the winner".

This is another "ends justify the means" mentality post.

By the same logic, we could say that catching a murderer is not a bad thing.
But it begs the issue of whether torturing somebody to achieve that goal is valid.

"stuffing the ballot box" is not the issue at hand and you are more than welcome to raise a thread on the subject if you like.
Trying to talk about that is simply another diversionary ploy.

Again you engage in your classic underhanded technique of editing my comment then launching a string of insults based on the straw man you create. Someday perhaps you will be able to discuss issues as an adult instead of resorting to your dishonest fantasy.

First you offer blanket condemnation of the "Right" for not responding to your push poll, then you call me a liar for explaining why there was a lack of response from people who understood the true purpose of the poll. A key part of creating your push poll is framing it with a partisan hypothetical.

We are asked to assume the very hypothetical of Russian meddling in the election, the very brick at Democrat partisans are slinging. Yet, somehow the poll is supposed to be objective.

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