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View Poll Results: Would You Vote For a Socialist Presidential Candidate?
Yes 7 38.89%
No 9 50.00%
What's a Socialist? 1 5.56%
Other (specify) 1 5.56%
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:59 PM
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Would You Vote For a Socialist Presidential Candidate?

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What's a Socialist?

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Most Americans at their core, aren't socialists.

We believe we're a country of opportunity, not of equal results despite effort or skill.

To me at least, a socialist candidate advocates policies that enact 'from each, their ability ... to each their need'.

I'm a closet Darwinist, while being an economic conserative. Tax wealth progressively, that's fine. Don't tax income progressively to the same extent.

We must always remember that we are never as good as the dregs of society but still never members of it's so called 'elite'.

In many ways, we can NEVER fall into the trap of looking to those who have 'made it' as emulation ... but we must always look to them as inspiration if, and only if, they made it through their own hard work and diligence.

I'm much more interested in how rich guys got rich than what their opinions are once they established themselves as 'rich'.

It's inherent, once your rich, to have been a better man while you were getting there than once you got there.

The key is understanding and knowing when enough is enough, and both the rich and those who don't think of themselves as rich monetarily usually aren't the ones to follow.

To me, being rich is simple. I provide for my families (just me and my daughter, as I'm a single dad of a 16 year old) needs. I hope to buy a house, and have a plan to do so. I hope to provide once in a lifetime excursions ...

To me rich is working my whole life to plan a Broadway excursion, or a European adventure ... to be able to say that once in my life time I was able to see what for so many decades I had only dreamed of seeing.

I want to travel to places I have only seen vicariously through the eyes of others, even if many might dissapoint.

I want to get out of this rental house, pay for my daughter's college tuition, and STILL be able to do everything I every wanted to do before I died.

I know I'll have to continue to make compromises, but in my time a socialist presidential canditate would only lead to more socialist policies which would further restrict, not enhance, my free will.

Socialist movements, to me, restrict individual choice while never really fulfilling on their promise to help those who are already willing to do whatever it takes to help themselves.

My daughter and I ... we have health care, I'm willing and able to provide her with access to higher education (with government help, or the recognition of private enterprise when the time comes).

I just don't want to pay more to those that are less willing to make the sacrifices I have and am still willing to make to have the same that I have worked for so long and for so hard to achieve.

Socialists suck. They think all are created equal and carry it over to all deserve equal treatment. No ... in the real world you should get what you give.
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Absolutely NOT. While some concepts of social responsibility within socialism are appealing, I know that capitalism is the only way to achieve those goals as socialism will never ensure the proper amounts of resources are available. Anyone remember Russian food shortages?
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In the latest version of sociology text written by James Henslin, the topic of social power combined with the learning and effort of a nation of people who are a democracy is is discussed and is without parallel for the advancement of society as a whole. Most of us, without thinking, consider socialism as being related with communism.In fact historically it has and in some countries still is today.Communism was, is, and always will be a great "human" mistake. This melting pot of culture and ideas we live in as a nation, can not afford to be so into self, or narrow minded, to believe that it is still a "survival of the fittest" nation of people that we live in. We live in a "survival of the fittest world" Without the influence of socialist ideas we would have with certainty become extinct along time ago. depending on only our selves and not somehow helping others? c'mon, The very successful American Indian, as hunter gatherers, realized this idea would not work hundreds of years ago. What? I don't need to help anyone but me? even if they don't have a job;need medical attention;need food;need shelter or clothing? Why? A socialist president is still surrounded by policies of our nation formed under a democracy and representatives who have to answer to a country with little left to loose by being open to new ideas for the country as a whole. Our old form of govt. rule has served a purpose but needs a tune up. We need to take care of each other as Americans because at this moment the world sees a divided nation up "FOR SALE" during the unrest and turmoil caused by the mere fact that we, as a nation, are entering a revolutionary time and will either reinvent policies through politics or guns on each other.
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Wow, fishn4life.
Methinks bhkad just met his match.
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Wow, fishn4life.
Methinks bhkad just met his match.
Actually he argued both sides of the issue.

Against Socialism:

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In the latest version of sociology text written by James Henslin, the topic of social power combined with the learning and effort of a nation of people who are a democracy is is discussed and is without parallel for the advancement of society as a whole. Most of us, without thinking, consider socialism as being related with communism.In fact historically it has and in some countries still is today.Communism was, is, and always will be a great "human" mistake. This melting pot of culture and ideas we live in as a nation, can not afford to be so into self, or narrow minded, to believe that it is still a "survival of the fittest" nation of people that we live in. We live in a "survival of the fittest world"
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Without the influence of socialist ideas we would have with certainty become extinct along time ago. depending on only our selves and not somehow helping others? c'mon, The very successful American Indian, as hunter gatherers, realized this idea would not work hundreds of years ago. What? I don't need to help anyone but me? even if they don't have a job;need medical attention;need food;need shelter or clothing? Why? A socialist president is still surrounded by policies of our nation formed under a democracy and representatives who have to answer to a country with little left to loose by being open to new ideas for the country as a whole. Our old form of govt. rule has served a purpose but needs a tune up. We need to take care of each other as Americans because at this moment the world sees a divided nation up "FOR SALE" during the unrest and turmoil caused by the mere fact that we, as a nation, are entering a revolutionary time and will either reinvent policies through politics or guns on each other.
When he makes up his mind I think he should re-post.
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thanks for the gig yank. Have another cup of coffee then re read the entire article as an idealist not a nitpicker. the information was meant to expand the horizons of the thought process not promote an argument. Start by reading any social text geared for the modern college class and know or at least believe that the Constitution of the United States of America was in the beginning an unheard, well formed "idea" without the experience of British oppression the settlers of the colonies in Georgia, Massachusetts, and Florida would have probably never developed an idea that freedom of sorts was even a conceivable concept. However they were willing to die fighting for an idea of a govt. with different statutes. thats not to say that the change was so sudden no one could adapt, however i'm sure that some of the naysayers in that day were just as concerned about the possible outcome. Or maybe they were afraid to stand and announce that they too were tired of being fed the propaganda and secretly desired drastic change as well SOUND FAMILIAR? step out of the herd and cut a new path if you wish to address the issue don't waste time bactracking to rewrite my words find some of yours and prove yourself please.

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thanks for the gig yank. Have another cup of coffee then re read the entire article as an idealist not a nitpicker. the information was meant to expand the horizons of the thought process not promote an argument. Start by reading any social text geared for the modern college class and except that the Constitution of the United States of America was in the beginning an unheard, well formed "idea"
For me this is not an academic discussion. After this country fought the Cold War and the Soviets and hot wars with the Chinese, North Koreans, North Vietnamese and others, I don't think this country is able to abide any God Damned Socialist/Marxist/Communist bastard running this country if we are aware of it.

The problem is that we are not aware of it.
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For me this is not an academic discussion. After this country fought the Cold War and the Soviets and hot wars with the Chinese, North Koreans, North Vietnamese and others, I don't think this country is able to abide any God Damned Socialist/Marxist/Communist bastard running this country if we are aware of it.

The problem is that we are not aware of it.
So are you saying GW is Marxist or that one of the two candidates is?
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Actually he argued both sides of the issue.

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When he makes up his mind I think he should re-post.
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