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View Poll Results: Should the US Provide Military Aid to Palestine?
Yes - Palestinians have a Right of Sovereignty 1 7.14%
No - Palestinians don't have a Right of Sovereignty 3 21.43%
No - The US should boycott Israel instead. 0 0%
Other - Explain 10 71.43%
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:08 PM
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RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — The formation of a Palestinian unity government backed by rivals Hamas and Fatah will be announced Monday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Saturday.

After the April collapse of a U.S.-mediated Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, the Palestinian rivals revived reconciliation efforts. Negotiators met repeatedly to agree on a government of technocrats backed by both sides that is to prepare for general elections in 2015. In recent days, there were last-minute disagreements, but Abbas' announcement suggests the issues have been resolved.

Abbas, the leader of Fatah, reiterated that the unity government would follow his pragmatic program.

"We say (the government) is going to recognize Israel, denounce violence and recognize the international agreements," he said, echoing the international community's conditions for dealing with Hamas. "This is a technocrat government. It has nothing to do with Fatah, Hamas or any factions."
http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-un...171952133.html

For the last several years the Palestinians have been making every attempt to reach and agreement with the Israeli government based upon UN Security Council Resolution 242 that was designed to ensure peace in the region. The Palestinians have agreed to the key component in securing that peace.

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Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.
In the above press release Abbas has re-affirmed that committment to comply with UNSC 242 as it result in a lasting peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis and confirmed a committment to all intenational treaties, laws and customs.

It is time for Israel to end it's hostile occupation of Palestine and allow the Palestinians to exercise their Right of National Sovereignty in accordance with the other condition included in UNSC 242.

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Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.
The question is what if Israel continues to refuse the Palestinians their Right of Sovereignty in the future. As of this time the Palestinians want Israel to peacefully withdraw the Israeli military from their territory so that peace can be accomplished without further conflict but what if Israel continues to refuse to accept the peaceful resolution to the 47 year old conflict created when Israel invaded and occupied what we now refer to as the Palestinian territories.

The Palestinians seek peace but what if Israel refuses that peace? What if the Israelis refuse to withdraw their hostile force of military occupation from Palenstine? If Israel refuses to withdraw in the future.......

Should the United States provide military aid necessary to the Palestinians so they can throw-off tyrannical despotism of the Israel miltary occupation of Palestine?

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For the last several years the Palestinians have been making every attempt to reach and agreement with the Israeli government based upon UN Security Council Resolution 242 that was designed to ensure peace in the region.
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I created this poll and so I felt the obligation to vote in it. I selected "other" and need to explain that.

Not going into the details too much but for many years the Palestinians refused to comply with the provisions of UNSC Resolution 242. Israel also refused to comply with the provisions of UNSC Resolution 242. It was basically a "stand-off" from the perspective of the international community because neither side wanted to comply.

Today the Palestinians have agreed to all of the conditions of UNSC Resolution 242 so that "stand-off" no longer exists. We have one side that is willing to comply with the provisions 100% (i.e. the Palestinians) and we're awaiting to see what the other side (i.e. Israel) will do. Will Israel comply by withdrawing it's military from the territories it occupied in 1967. That doesn't mean just a part of the occupied terroritory but all of the occupied territories.

Of course Israel can also request that a military peace keeping force be installed along the border and the Palestinians have agreed to that in advance the only caveat being that it can't be an Israeli military force. An Israeli military force represents a future threat of war against the Palestinians by Israel that has a history of invading it's neighbors.

I'm not an advocate of the US becoming directly involved nor do I support US "military aid" to other countries but I do believe that the US should be involved actively in resolving conflicts as a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

My proposal would be to allow Israel to voluntarily comply with UNSC 242 now that the Palestinians have agreed to all conditions. I'd give Israel 12 months to do so. If, at the end of 12 months, Israel has not agreed to voluntarily comply by withdrawing it's military from ALL of the occupied territories (i.e. the West Bank, E Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights) then I would advocate the US addressing economic sanctions against Israel based upon a UNSC resolution. If the UNSC agrees by resolution then an economic embargo should be imposed by all UN nations against Israel until it agrees to comply. It's really that simple.

Yes, some are concerned about the Israeli citizens that have immigrated to the occupied territories since 1967 and I agree with those concerns. It must be noted that this immigration violated international law (i.e. Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions) but techically this was a violation by Israel and not the individuals that immigrated.

I do not now nor will I ever support forced relocations so leave it up the the immigrants to the Golan Heights, West Bank, and E Jerusalem if they want to stay or leave. If they stay then the government is responsible for their safety just like the Israeli government is responsible for the safety of the non-Jewish (i.e. Muslim) population in Israel.
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Tough nut to resolve, if ever. From a military standpoint, the 1967 borders are indefensible. The Israelis would be foolish to withdraw from the heights.
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The Palestinians, a whole are mindless savages, and catspaws for extremely evil movements. Mercy demands that they be subjugated let the harm themselves and others to a greater degree than they have already. Were they capable of forming an actual country, the traits of civilized behavior for which they lack, then they would be a proper object for punitive war.

If the Palestinians, every man, woman and child died of natural causes tonight, the world would almost certainly dawn tomorrow as a safer, more congenial place.

So no, I don't see any reason to send them military aid.
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Tough nut to resolve, if ever. From a military standpoint, the 1967 borders are indefensible. The Israelis would be foolish to withdraw from the heights.
Peace is achieved through diplomacy and not through military might.

As has also been noted the Palenstinian have already proposed a neutral military force to be placed along the border and they've suggested NATO forces. This is probably more about protecting Palestine from Israel than protecting Israel from Palestine.

According to Mosha Dayan, the Israeli commanding general along the Syrian border in 1967, it was Israel that was the provocateur of the conflict with Syrian forces on the Golan Heights. It makes no sense to reward Israel for starting the conflict with Syria by granting it Syrian farmlands.
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The Palestinians, a a whole are mindless savages, and catspaws for extremely evil movements. Mercy demands that they be subjugated let the harm themselves and others to a greater degree than they have already. Were they capable of forming an actual country, the traits of civilized behavior for which they lack, then they would be a proper object for punitive war.

If the Palestinians, every man, woman and child died of natural causes tonight, the world would almost certainly dawn tomorrow as a safer, more congenial place.
I can't even imagine the response had such a statement been made about the Jews. Ignorant and hateful bigotry really has no place in a civilized world.
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I can't even imagine the response had such a statement been made about the Jews. Ignorant and hateful bigotry really has no place in a civilized world.
That was sort of my point about the so-called "Palestinian" savages.

It's up to them to decide to become civilized, enlightened people. No one can do it for them, no one can impose it on them, they can't be bribed to do it. People who have street parties and feed confections to children to celebrate the murders of other people, who proudly send their children to explode in the pursuit of the murders of children, are savages. You do them no favors by not acknowledging that status.

When and if they decide to become something more, we can revisit whether or not they have earned more favorable treatment.


You do know that only a few decades ago, we dropped nuclear bombs on people for such behavior as the modern "Palestinians" embrace, right?
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Peace is achieved through diplomacy and not through military might.

As has also been noted the Palenstinian have already proposed a neutral military force to be placed along the border and they've suggested NATO forces. This is probably more about protecting Palestine from Israel than protecting Israel from Palestine.

According to Mosha Dayan, the Israeli commanding general along the Syrian border in 1967, it was Israel that was the provocateur of the conflict with Syrian forces on the Golan Heights. It makes no sense to reward Israel for starting the conflict with Syria by granting it Syrian farmlands.
If you ask me, it really is a simple matter of military advantage ... or disadvantage, depending upon just who is called the antagonist.

If Israel were to cede the West bank, it would leave Israel with a narrow, UNDEFENDABLE strip of land between the West Bank and the sea. If Israel were to cede the Golan Heights, it would leave Syrians full advantage to pummel Israel from the high ground.

From a military standpoint, the 3-Day War was a roaring success for Israel, leaving the Jewish State with incredible geographical and topographical advantage from the future standpoint of defense. What could ever compel them to give it back?

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