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Old 11-01-2012, 11:12 PM
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I have to ask, and be assured it isn't just you I'm asking, but where do you people get off with this notion that you have a right to other people's money just because you want it?

Social programs are a form of beggary. This is an unavoidable truth. When the are legally mandated, they become robbery.
You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.

First of all, no one asks me if I want MY money funding war.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:05 AM
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My question is what about the posters' commentary is incorrect?
Well we got this in just in time.

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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.

First of all, no one asks me if I want MY money funding war.
The tax dollars you payed in aren't yours, they never were they were just in transition to becoming "ours". This is pretty much the basis of my stance. Certain people don't look at what you earned as yours, they look at it as what you earned that is theirs.

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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
Just for clarification.

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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
One more time in case you missed it.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
I just can't really repeat this enough.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
The money you made isn't yours, how dare you think it is.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
One more time just for giggles.
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Well we got this in just in time.



The tax dollars you payed in aren't yours, they never were they were just in transition to becoming "ours". This is pretty much the basis of my stance. Certain people don't look at what you earned as yours, they look at it as what you earned that is theirs.



Just for clarification.



One more time in case you missed it.


I just can't really repeat this enough.

The money you made isn't yours, how dare you think it is.

One more time just for giggles.
You're better than evading. SD's post is a different story. Go back and address the question.
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You're better than evading. SD's post is a different story. Go back and address the question.
SD never had an arguable post just a statement that went along and solidified the ramblings of Larry.

Which both come down to the same statement:
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You work for us not you.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
That was never your money.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
Socialism is...
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
I can't really tire of posting the best thing a left winger ever produced.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.
This is classic.
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SD never had an arguable post just a statement that went along and solidified the ramblings of Larry.

Which both come down to the same statement:

You work for us not you.

That was never your money.

Socialism is...

I can't really tire of posting the best thing a left winger ever produced.

This is classic.
So you can't address the merits of the previous post... Now that's been established.
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You're jumping the gun on this question. I've yet to assert that anyone has a right to anything. I'm asking what about the commentary is incorrect. Let's start there.
Which commentary? The OP, or one of the subsequent posts?
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.

First of all, no one asks me if I want MY money funding war.
By what right do you take my property and then claim that it is now "common property?"

This seems to be an unavoidable practice in civilization, but then, so is defecation. At least in the latter case, we do not pretend that it is ennobling.

I assert that you have no9t an atom of right to extract so much as a mil from me against my will for "charitable" purposes. Beggars should beg, should they not? At the very least, they should ask for their bread politely.Otherwise, they are merely thieves.

You see, what we've done is to take the highwaymen, given them far more lethal weapons, organized them, put them in suits, given them pompous titles and ridiculous salaries, and sent them forth to take from the Productive for the alleged benefit of the Nonproductive.

We call simple robbery "taxation for the common good," because we are effectively fools who can't deal with the reality of our own natures.
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You see, what we've done is to take the highwaymen, given them far more lethal weapons, organized them, put them in suits, given them pompous titles and ridiculous salaries, and sent them forth to take from the Productive for the alleged benefit of the Nonproductive.
There will come a day when those people who invested in gold and silver will wish they had invested in lead instead. The monkeys are beginning to expect their bananas served in bigger hands.
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What's so bad about a little socialism? We have some socialist programs that have served us well and some hardline anti socialist right wingers would get more than a little irritated if you took those programs away. Social Security, Medicare to name a couple of programs. Socialism doesn't have to lead to hard, tyrannical communism like Soviet Union under Stalin or China under chairman mao. Some Scandinavian and European countries are more socialistic than we are and are doing well and haven't turned into communist dictatorships.
What's wrong with a little socialism is that it leads to more socialism requiring the government to play an ever increasing role in our lives to "protect" us. Medicare and Social Security work as long as there is a sufficiently large differential between the number of payers and recipients. It is easy to purchase votes by promising future benefits, something to run on as Democrat Wilbur Mills described Medicare to LBJ, when paying for these programs is left to future generations. The total unfunded liability of these 2 programs exceeds $100 trillion yet any attempt to reform them into something less dependent on the Federal government is beaten back with demogoging.

Obamacare represents a huge expansion of the Federal government's power in the name of fixing problems with the health insurance market created by government meddling. Dodd Frank places a secretive cabal beyond Congressional supervision in charge of the financial industry in the name of protecting us from another crisis caused by government meddling.

A little socialism in the Federal government rewards itself for problems it creates with more regulatory power to constrain the People's freedom. This is the opposite of Conservative philosophy that teaches personal responsibility as an obligation of freedom.
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You seem to think all tax dollars are YOUR money. It's OUR money.

First of all, no one asks me if I want MY money funding war.
No one asks me if I want MY money used to buy Obamaphones or to line the pockets of UAW bosses. The common defense is an explicit duty of the Federal government per the Constitution. This is not the case with Federal wealth redistribution. Yet the funding for social program spending is on auto pilot while defense is considered discretionary. This inversion of spending priorities illustrates the problem with liberalism's ever increasing role for the Federal government.. Tax dollars are spent as directed by political convenience rather than per our governing document, the Constitution.
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