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Old 10-09-2012, 08:10 AM
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I was just thinking of how when I was younger, it was explained to me by older, wiser,
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Hate him? No way. He's too endlessly amusing and flattering to me to hate him, or even act like it. I think it's been quite obvious for some time that he's infatuated with me. It's too cute.
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I believe in Darwinism 100%...

But notwithstanding bullsh*tist partisans, I ALSO believe it's in concert with a deity and NOT contradictory...
Hmm, that sounds indistinguishable from intelligent design. Whether driven by a deity or "nature" Darwinism rejects the idea of evolution being anything but random.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:03 AM
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I think evolution is just selective mutation due to the environment and the survival of the selected. But since time is nonexistent, evolution therefore has to be happening at once. No. Strike out the second sentence.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:18 AM
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A better question is why believe in a theory that relies on random processes to the point of actively supression of competing theories? Evolution requires faith that a spontaneously generated single cell organism has been magically transformed into the vast array of life forms thanks to the process of random mutation. Never mind that for example that flight requires a whole constellation of muscular, skeletal, and behavioral attributes none of which independently provide an advantage in natural selection, it is all a product of randomness.

The dark ages style support for the anachronistic theory of evolution is based on politics not science. If life is a product of random processes then there is no need to wonder about a higher power the State is the supreme authority.

Before some of the other commentators jump to the conclusion I am suggesting we ought to teach the Biblical explanation of creation as part of the public school curriculum, I am not. While it is true alternative theories such as intelligent design lead to the as yet scientifically unanswered question of the designer's identity that is far superior to faith in a random process.
That's kind of what I was thinking too, only not as well put together.

I remember in my early university days being taught Darwinism as fact, and being shown how to mock anybody who thought there might be more to it. Never fully bought into it myself. I still think there might be more to it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:24 AM
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Does evolution happen?? Of course it does. The real question is whether or not evolution can drive the creation of the species that exist in the amount of time available. 4th grade math is all you need to figure out that there's HUGE gaping hole in this part of the evolutionary theory.
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Does evolution happen?? Of course it does. The real question is whether or not evolution can drive the creation of the species that exist in the amount of time available. 4th grade math is all you need to figure out that there's HUGE gaping hole in this part of the evolutionary theory.
And there's the right answer. Even if you don't believe that humans evolved from ... well... non-humans, one cannot deny that evolution happens and is happening. So to say "I don't believe in evolution" is to say that you deny reality. It is better to say what you just said, that while evolution obviously happens you don't believe humans evolved from other animals.
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I sometimes notice stuff like people seem a lot taller in general than they did when I was growing up. I don't think natural selection is killing off the short people. I imagine sexual selection could explain it, but still that's a thing natural selection doesn't explain. How do I know there's not more of that? And how do I know there's not some sort of at present unknown energy, or even divine will that can be accessed to alter DNA?

And strange thoughts like that can go on and on from there. Next thing I know I'm thinking about parallel universes. and how much do we really know about time anyway? Then I'm thinking 'OK God, you and me, right?. Then some superior clown is trying to mock me, because his indoctrinated mind tells him I am to be mocked for my simple, unscientific right wing brain, and I'm thinking, 'Get stuffed'.

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And there's the right answer. Even if you don't believe that humans evolved from ... well... non-humans, one cannot deny that evolution happens and is happening. So to say "I don't believe in evolution" is to say that you deny reality. It is better to say what you just said, that while evolution obviously happens you don't believe humans evolved from other animals.
If it is the right answer to say the theory of evolution only accounts for variations within species then it is reduced from the grand explanation of life on the planet to a narrow, vague proposition with intraspecies impact only. That is not a theory worthy of excluding all alternatives in public education or academia.

Even the idea that evolution explains changes within species has serious flaws. For example, there is a small wasp that injects just the right amount of venom in just the right location to stun a cockroach, after riding the hapless roach steering with its antennae the wasp stings it again disabling it but not killing it. The wasp then implants her eggs into the roach creating a living buffet when they hatch. How did this complex set of behaviors evolve? Independently they do not provide a competitive advantage. There is no evidence of wasps teaching behavior. But evolution would have us believe these wasps behavior is the product of random mutation.
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If it is the right answer to say the theory of evolution only accounts for variations within species then it is reduced from the grand explanation of life on the planet to a narrow, vague proposition with intraspecies impact only. That is not a theory worthy of excluding all alternatives in public education or academia.

Even the idea that evolution explains changes within species has serious flaws. For example, there is a small wasp that injects just the right amount of venom in just the right location to stun a cockroach, after riding the hapless roach steering with its antennae the wasp stings it again disabling it but not killing it. The wasp then implants her eggs into the roach creating a living buffet when they hatch. How did this complex set of behaviors evolve? Independently they do not provide a competitive advantage. There is no evidence of wasps teaching behavior. But evolution would have us believe these wasps behavior is the product of random mutation.
There are multiple insects that lay their eggs in living hosts. Anywho, product of random mutation, possibly. But I don't think it's quite that simplistic. While I certainly understand the basics of the theory of evolution, et al, I cannot claim to know all of the in depth details. (nor do I wish to) But it's not that simple. There's a book I read called Blueprints: Solving the Mystery of Evolution that helped me to understand more, but good god it was years ago when I read it and it's an old book so there may be a better one out there now. It's not an easy read (wasn't for me anyway) but it helps the reader to understand the theory better in more laymans terms than some other books. I mean, you - like me - may know what the theory of evolution IS, but not know how it actually works. That book kinda helps with that. But like I said, there may be better ones out there now. That one is like 20 years old or something.
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And there's the right answer. Even if you don't believe that humans evolved from ... well... non-humans, one cannot deny that evolution happens and is happening. So to say "I don't believe in evolution" is to say that you deny reality. It is better to say what you just said, that while evolution obviously happens you don't believe humans evolved from other animals.
I think the problem is the question itself...

"Go you believe in evolution?" can be interpreted as "Do you believe EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of evolution theory?"...

...and when someone answers, "no", you interpret it as believing the person believes in NO ASPECT of evolution theory...which can be a falsehood...

If I say "That baseball team is great", I am NOT necessarily saying "Every single player and coach on that baseball team is great."...
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