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View Poll Results: Does Society (in general) Overprotect Children?
Yes 6 50.00%
No 4 33.33%
Unsure 2 16.67%
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:48 AM
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Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway Alone

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Justice Department data actually show the number of children abducted by strangers has been going down over the years. So why not let your kids get home from school by themselves?

“Parents are in the grip of anxiety and when you’re anxious, you’re totally warped,” the author of “A Nation of Wimps,” Hara Estroff Marano, said. We become so bent out of shape over something as simple as letting your children out of sight on the playground that it starts seeming on par with letting them play on the railroad tracks at night. In the rain. In dark non-reflective coats.

The problem with this everything-is-dangerous outlook is that over-protectiveness is a danger in and of itself. A child who thinks he can’t do anything on his own eventually can’t.
Although I'm not there 100%, I agree with it more than 50%...

The last sentence I agree with 400%...
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I voted "unsure"..sometimes we do overprotect our children but so much depends on the area we live in. We live in the country,my kids roamed country roads and forests at a very young age.Crime does exist out here but it's a fraction of the rate in the big cities.
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For years I kept my nephew after school. And I was one of those people who never let him get out of sight and hearing for any length of time.

BUT I lived 4 blocks from a man who had been convicted of raping a teenage boy! I think that I had a bit of an excuse.

I hope that I didn't warp him too much. He was a shy, insecure toddler. So I also dragged him to parks and playgrounds and taught him how to make friends with other children and encouraged him to climb to the top of the play towers. So maybe it balanced out.
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I prefer to think of it as more of control of the thinking process of our young.

I'm 62 and when I went to school we had nothing in classes like they do today.
Darn near everyone who finishes high school should be more equiped and much smarter than me. Yet of the ones who don't drop out many can't even keep a check book balanced. And I have 5 total. That would create a brain shortage in them.
Yet the truth is about 45 to 55% drop out when they reach the age set where they can choose to do so. Just think about that one thing. Where is it a right to be stupid in America. How and why is it a right of a 16+ year old to say I quit school? Who gains in the long run? (Please keep in mind the whole picture) And study after study shows ones mind isn't well set till about 24. So why at 16+ can a person decide to waste their life?
No child left behind my ash!!!

The large picture covers allowing more high tech trained people in our country being decide now, crime and drugs along with gangs. Because a drop out want to belong to something! Welfare and S/S fraud and ID theft. I can go on if you like but I leave room for others to say the truth.

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I prefer to think of it as more of control of the thinking process of our young.

I'm 62 and when I went to school we had nothing in classes like they do today.
Darn near everyone who finishes high school should be more equiped and much smarter than me. Yet of the ones who don't drop out many can't even keep a check book balanced. And I have 5 total. That would create a brain shortage in them.
Depends. I worked at Harvard for a short while doing menial tasks... many students didn't know how to do basic banking... but were absolute geniuses in anything school related... Being smart and having common sense are two VERY different things.

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Yet the truth is about 45 to 55% drop out when they reach the age set where they can choose to do so. Just think about that one thing.
I think I have to call BS on this unless you have some stats to back it up. Even in the inner cities this seems like a VERY high number.

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Where is it a right to be stupid in America.
The better question is, where is it a right to be highly educated? We have the right to "Pursuit of Happiness"... ignorance is bliss

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How and why is it a right of a 16+ year old to say I quit school? Who gains in the long run? (Please keep in mind the whole picture)
I am pretty sure they cannot just drop out at 16. Either they have to be emancipated, then drop out, or have guardians ok.

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And study after study shows ones mind isn't well set till about 24. So why at 16+ can a person decide to waste their life?
To me this just shows that education is wasted on youth. How many "uneducated" people wish they could have gone back to school full time at 24 or 25... I do... but at 17-18 school was the last thing on my mind

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The large picture covers allowing more high tech trained people in our country being decide now, crime and drugs along with gangs. Because a drop out want to belong to something! Welfare and S/S fraud and ID theft. I can go on if you like but I leave room for others to say the truth.
I actually am having a little trouble follwing this last part.
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We underprotect our kids as far as I'm concerned.
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Depends. I worked at Harvard for a short while doing menial tasks... many students didn't know how to do basic banking... but were absolute geniuses in anything school related... Being smart and having common sense are two VERY different things.

I think I said enough below......

I think I have to call BS on this unless you have some stats to back it up. Even in the inner cities this seems like a VERY high number.



The better question is, where is it a right to be highly educated? We have the right to "Pursuit of Happiness"... ignorance is bliss





I am pretty sure they cannot just drop out at 16. Either they have to be emancipated, then drop out, or have guardians ok.



To me this just shows that education is wasted on youth. How many "uneducated" people wish they could have gone back to school full time at 24 or 25... I do... but at 17-18 school was the last thing on my mind



I actually am having a little trouble follwing this last part.
Your problem is that you never understood the point in the first place. And your very ignorant of the qoutes you take! This was in grade and then junior high school. thanks college boy you have added a lot of nothing because you spoke down not seeing what was being related..
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As far as the poll question is concerned I would have to say no.Look at the push to pass Jessica's law or some form of it.If society did over protect our children we wouldn't be trying to get these laws passed because there would be no need to get them pushed.
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Maybe it's parent's responsibility to protect their own children. You want to keep your children safe, you better keep an eye on them, because laws only stop predators after they have done something. Your kid might be the first.
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Maybe it's parent's responsibility to protect their own children.
Of course its a parents responsibility to protect their own children.However some of the child predators are resourceful.These people have political groups,how-to websites and even websites that appear to be children's websites to try to convince children that there is nothing wrong with adult and child sexual relations.


They are even encouraging each other to join teaching professions,most likely to brainwash tolerance and acceptance of pedophiles.

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Child predators and pedophiles have always been in all areas of life, and in every profession. They often get jobs that involve children. I found a post at a pedophile message board that openly encourages these child predators to "infiltrate the teaching profession" because "This is where the poisoning is at its most insidious, and this is where an antidote of true childlove is most effective."

That’s right folks, the pedophiles and child molesters are organizing and instructing each other on how to become teachers so they can gain access to our kids. They feel it is their “duty to help these kids”.

Pedophiles and child molesters are finding ways to “legitimately” spend time with small children. Alone. They are now plotting ways to overtake society without revealing themselves.

Their slogan? "You'll be helping the kids, helping our cause, and enriching your life."

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Wake up people! Pedophiles and child molesters are in our schools. They are in our children’s organizations. They are our neighbors, coaches, counselors, pastors, mentors, uncles, brothers, parents, and friends. In other words, they are anyone and everyone, and they are everywhere.

Do not allow your child to be alone with an adult. Do not ignore your instincts. If you see or suspect suspicious behavior, put a stop to it and report it.
They have groups.

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* Danish Pedophile Association (or DPA Gruppe 04)
* Dutch Society for Sexual Reform
* Krumme 13
* North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
* Paedophile Information Exchange
* Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia
* Partij voor Naastenliefde, Vrijheid & Diversiteit
* Rene Guyon Society
* Vereniging MARTIJN
They even have political groups


BBC NEWS | Europe | Dutch will allow paedophile group
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Judge HFM Hofhuis ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party.
They have symbols

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They have internet radio,pro-pedophile propaganda booklets to distribute to children and charities to send children to camps so pedophiles can visit them.



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/te...gy/21pedo.html
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And they make use of technology to help take their arguments to others, like sharing online a printable booklet to be distributed to children that extols the benefits of sex with adults.

The community’s online infrastructure is surprisingly elaborate. There are Internet radio stations run by and for pedophiles; a putative charity that raised money to send Eastern European children to a camp where they were apparently visited by pedophiles; and an online jewelry company that markets pendants proclaiming the wearer as being sexually attracted to children, allowing anyone in the know to recognize them.
They also have tactics

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Adoption of value-neutral terminology
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Redefining the term child sexual abuse
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Promoting the idea that children can consent to sexual activity with adults.
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Questioning the assumption of harm
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Promoting "objective" research.
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Declassification of pedophilia as mental illness.
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Promoting understanding of the difference between pedophilia and sexual activity.
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Promoting the testimonies of people who claim no harm from sex as a minor.
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Referring to experiences of situations where adult-child sex interactions are not illegal, both historical and ethnical.
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Invoking ideas of continuity between pedophile and other minority activists.
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Pointing to juvenile sexual activity in the animal kingdom and invoking evolutionary arguments.






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You want to keep your children safe, you better keep an eye on them, because laws only stop predators after they have done something. Your kid might be the first.
So your saying if we only punished murderers with a slap on the wrist then the murder rate wouldn't skyrocket? A lot of times the punishments act as a deterrent.People break the law because they think they won't get caught and or they are not worried about the consequences.
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