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View Poll Results: Does Society (in general) Overprotect Children?
Yes 6 50.00%
No 4 33.33%
Unsure 2 16.67%
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:00 AM
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I would be wrong if your assertion was that kids drop out of school and I said they did not... that is not what happened...

I question the percentage of kids that drop out... you said 50% average... I said no way...

You have not proven that there is a 50% average... you have shown that kids drop out, and shown a website that says why kids drop out...

so no, I am not saying I am wrong... in fact, I am still waiting for you to back up your 50% and higher rate... and waiting for you to clear up the rest of your posts so that a response can be made
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For a bit of clarity...The study has been questioned, as usual, but unless they counted different school systems differently, the results should still be rather valid.
Dropout Prevention Campaign Kicks Off with Stunning New Data | Connect for Kids / Child Advocacy 360 / Youth Policy Action Center
Only about one-half (52 percent) of students in the principal school systems of the 50 largest cities complete high school with a diploma. That rate is well below the national graduation rate of 70 percent, and even falls short of the average for urban districts across the country (60 percent).
In the most extreme cases (Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, and Indianapolis), fewer than 35 percent of students graduate with a diploma.
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This is the most recent one I could find:

VDARE.com: 01/01/08 - The Real Dropout Rate—And Why Some Students Should Drop Out Of School

then there is this one, which shows nothing near your claim of an average 50%

US high school dropout rate: high, but how high? | csmonitor.com

I keep looking, but there is nothing to support your claim.

So, you have made a clown of yourself.

Now, instead of personally attacking me perhaps you could clear up the rest of the crap you posted.

Better idea, get an education and come on back.
Chuck, there was a news story on all the networks last week about the dropout rate in larger U.S. cities. Several had a dropout rate over 50%.

I think that is what mlurp is referring to, BUT he has confused the story completely. 50% is NOT the dropout rate throughout the U.S.!

Here is a link to a CNN story on the big city dropout rate. it also clarifies what the U.S. graduation rate is.

Report: Many big city graduation rates below 50% - CNN.com

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Nationally, about 70 percent of U.S. students graduate on time with a regular diploma and about 1.2 million students drop out annually.
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In Detorit it is 55%. As I suspected you didn't bother to look at a thing I provided only your finds. Which of course back your position. Some debater you are, I at least try to post both sides of the coin. I am not out to prove I know everthing like you. I am human and do make mistakes. But unlik eyou I don't pouncn on another to show my knowledge. Now PLEASE go away!!!!!!

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I would be wrong if your assertion was that kids drop out of school and I said they did not... that is not what happened...

I question the percentage of kids that drop out... you said 50% average... I said no way...

You have not proven that there is a 50% average... you have shown that kids drop out, and shown a website that says why kids drop out...

so no, I am not saying I am wrong... in fact, I am still waiting for you to back up your 50% and higher rate... and waiting for you to clear up the rest of your posts so that a response can be made
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Come on guys I think anyone knows not all schools fill the discription of 50% drop out rate. And because of this one simple point (which I would have hoped anyone could understand, I now know I need to write a complete thought, thanks. But I also think faster than I type. Which is about 16 words a minute! Can you understand now?) When I went to school boys took shop and girls took typing.
But because of one simple point to pick on the entire post was lost to sooth this 30 year old ego!. I guess I need to just leave as at 62 I won't be going to night school to please this ash. Thanks fo rthe few friends I have made here. But if this so highly educated clow says I am not smart enough to pos there then I guess he is right a she knows so much! may each of you enjoy the day.
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Chuck, there was a news story on all the networks last week about the dropout rate in larger U.S. cities. Several had a dropout rate over 50%.

I think that is what mlurp is referring to, BUT he has confused the story completely. 50% is NOT the dropout rate throughout the U.S.!

Here is a link to a CNN story on the big city dropout rate. it also clarifies what the U.S. graduation rate is.

Report: Many big city graduation rates below 50% - CNN.com
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Chuck, there was a news story on all the networks last week about the dropout rate in larger U.S. cities. Several had a dropout rate over 50%.

I think that is what mlurp is referring to, BUT he has confused the story completely. 50% is NOT the dropout rate throughout the U.S.!

Here is a link to a CNN story on the big city dropout rate. it also clarifies what the U.S. graduation rate is.

Report: Many big city graduation rates below 50% - CNN.com
Thank you... that rate was actually in one of the links I had too...
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In Detorit it is 55%. As I suspected you didn't bother to look at a thing I provided only your finds. Which of course back your position. Some debater you are, I at least try to post both sides of the coin. I am not out to prove I know everthing like you. I am human and do make mistakes. But unlik eyou I don't pouncn on another to show my knowledge. Now PLEASE go away!!!!!!
Sorry, not going anywhere.

You made a statement, I questioned it. You don't like being questioned.

The links I provided did not spin things my way at all, they showed national averages, which then were also shown by crazyflamingos. Also, you did not show any specific links, but a web search, none of the links on which proved what you said.

All of a sudden you cried "VICTORY" as if showing that kids drop out of school somehow justified your position.

I never "pounced" on you to show my knowledge, I asked you for clarification and questioned one of your "statistics".

You claim to see both sides of a coin, but when I questioned your asserion, you called me names.

Maybe English is not your first language, and I should be sensitive to that. I'm not. You should understand that if your English is broken sometimes people will ask for clarification. I was not trying to be rude or attack you in the first post. After that you decided to try to act superior, and failed.
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Come on guys I think anyone knows not all schools fill the discription of 50% drop out rate. And because of this one simple point (which I would have hoped anyone could understand, I now know I need to write a complete thought, thanks. But I also think faster than I type. Which is about 16 words a minute! Can you understand now?) When I went to school boys took shop and girls took typing.
But because of one simple point to pick on the entire post was lost to sooth this 30 year old ego!. I guess I need to just leave as at 62 I won't be going to night school to please this ash. Thanks fo rthe few friends I have made here. But if this so highly educated clow says I am not smart enough to pos there then I guess he is right a she knows so much! may each of you enjoy the day.
the only one making an ass and a clown of himself is you.

I would hope you would not leave just because people ask you for clarification. If you are that sensitive I wonder how you made it to 62 years old.

It is also sad that you think that at 62 you should not have to learn anymore... at 90 just before his death, my grandfather was still reading and learning everyday. Most "older" people I know say that you learn something new everyday. Today was your day to learn to type out full thoughts, as we cannot see your body expressions, or hear your tone over the internet.
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You run hot and cold, Grow up! Be yourself and learn and share, your smart enough to understand this isn't an insult.
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You run hot and cold, Grow up! Be yourself and learn and share, your smart enough to understand this isn't an insult.
Every so often I will ask you for clarification... don't take that as an insult... just realize I am interested in what you are saying, and don't want to get it wrong.
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