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Old 06-19-2012, 04:46 PM
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James, an ad is not just an ad that announces itself ;the above is part of a campaign as are all the little innuendos on Rush and Glen Beck, all the tweets, and emails you get from uncle Fred. Nightly "news" too.
Sometimes I wonder if Rush failed to get behind McCain because he hadn't got his cut yet...
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:54 PM
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Lets make it clear to our candidates that if they want to buy our votes, then they need to be using the right currency (feel free to add your own).

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Lets make it clear to our candidates that if they want to buy our votes, then they need to be using the right currency (feel free to add your own).

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I take it you never voted in Texas.
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Oh...
I see now.
So these multi-million dollar companies, who have gotten this way via shrewd business choices, obviously have no clue that their million dollar campaigns are futile.

Complaints that ROMNEY was outspending all his competitors and it was the money that beat them?
REPUBLICANS were being stupid in making those claims too, right?

THEY are stupid, and we've just been trusting that they know what they're doing...
Yup. Usually, what they are doing is paying tribute (bribes) to gullible Pols, and polishing their public image for even more credible follo0wers of those Pols. Influencing the election is secondary, even irrelevant.

Companies that really want to influence elections have to engage in fraud, deceit, market manipulation and outright criminal activity.

See?
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Very nice retort and our infighting will continue in a time when all sides need to wake the ___ up and get down to business we elected them to do. Which might just stop this BS between members.

And BTW it isn't just the lefts enemy the Republicans playing stupid foundit66, the left or more to the point the progressives have a lot of garbage in their closets.



And there is more to it than what you have pointed out. Some of that wasted $ do have a reason & location to which it goes. Recall POTUS Nixon and the slush fund.

And pockets that get filled is one of the others. So guys please lets try to be more civil as all parties have items to hide.
The difference, at least for me, is that I want members of my own Party that engage in misbehavior in their official capacity to be fired, even prosecuted where crimes are committed. Had I my way, at the Federal level, many crimes involving maleficence 9in Office would be capital offenses.

Convicted of bribery in office? You get hanged.
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I changed mine (rather decided to vote ) based on a speech. So I checked ad.
A speech, I don't regard as campaign advertising. A speech can be made for almost free. For even moderately prominent candidates, the press will cover it.

And again, one can put it on YouTube for free.

So, I don't think that you changed your vote because of the money spent on campaign advertising. let me know if you want me to change your vote.
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A speech, I don't regard as campaign advertising. A speech can be made for almost free. For even moderately prominent candidates, the press will cover it.

And again, one can put it on YouTube for free.

So, I don't think that you changed your vote because of the money spent on campaign advertising. let me know if you want me to change your vote.
No I do not want you to change my vote. Pull back a stub if you do.
Advertising works. One of the biggest industries in America. Public Relations advertising, commercialism call it what you like. The fact you wear the clothes you do is because of advertising. Not because you saw a jean commercial and went out and bought a pair. Because guys your age group and life style were swayed to buy pants with rivets and so that is what you wear based on peer pressure. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a kilt. Because of ad campaigns that bombard you and your society, you can't do that (except maybe for parades ).
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No I do not want you to change my vote. Pull back a stub if you do.
Advertising works. One of the biggest industries in America. Public Relations advertising, commercialism call it what you like. The fact you wear the clothes you do is because of advertising. Not because you saw a jean commercial and went out and bought a pair. Because guys your age group and life style were swayed to buy pants with rivets and so that is what you wear based on peer pressure. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a kilt. Because of ad campaigns that bombard you and your society, you can't do that (except maybe for parades ).
I wear the clothes I do because they were cheap. And I wish I could wear kilts without causing a fuss, not because they are like dresses, but because trousers were invented to allow men to ride horses with ease. I don't ride horses very often.

All that said, I still maintain that giving speeches is the sort of thing that will change the vote of an intelligent voter. It's the sort of activity that really teaches on about a politician's stance.

Conversely, campaign advertising is about reenforcing the meme, and motivating decided people to actually show up and vote.

If you change you mind about your vote in light of what I said here, let me know. I won't pester you abut it.
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When Regan said he would get rid of the illegals flooding the border. And cut off welfare queens.
Worst mistake I ever made in my life. For several reasons. He got me to hate a class of people which I had never done before. And he duped us and of course brought in the national id and let even more aliens through. But pointedly his speeches inspired and that is why I voted for him. Had he not got adequate air time I certainly would have abstained or voted for the other guy.
Now you know how I started to feel with those who do honor killings. Beside that I didn't vote for either the first time around.

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Lets make it clear to our candidates that if they want to buy our votes, then they need to be using the right currency (feel free to add your own).

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Double my S/S. And free non fat, suger free Ice Cream for my remaining years..

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The difference, at least for me, is that I want members of my own Party that engage in misbehavior in their official capacity to be fired, even prosecuted where crimes are committed. Had I my way, at the Federal level, many crimes involving maleficence 9in Office would be capital offenses.

Convicted of bribery in office? You get hanged.
OC I am for that plus term limts, removeal of all political appointees, separate funds for the Veterans Admin., and bringing the VA funding to a proper amount now!
As with your ideas mine are right to, just one problem neither of us will live to see our beliefs become facts.
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Yup.* Usually, what they are doing is paying tribute (bribes) to gullible Pols, and polishing their public image for even more credible follo0wers of those Pols. Influencing the election is secondary, even irrelevant.
Companies that really want to influence elections have to engage in fraud, deceit, market manipulation and outright criminal activity.
No.* They do not have to engage in fraud, deceit, market manipulation and outright criminal activity in order to influence an election.
The previous legislation limited their influence, and now thanks to that SCOTUS ruling that limitation has been revoked.
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Do you really need an education on how much LEGAL money is spent by companies in campaigning?*
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Take these stats for example.
The cost of winning a House / Senate seat:
http://www.cfinst.org/data/pdf/VitalStats_t1.pdf
Or how about a break-down of the mean expenditures for Senate seats, as broken down by the outcome.
http://www.cfinst.org/data/pdf/VitalStats_t6.pdf
Campaigning (legal money documented) isn’t cheap.* The closer an election is, the more money the sides pour in to try to win.
Even a casual look at congress should show that they are too often representative of the companies that help them get elected, instead of the constituents.
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