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View Poll Results: Is Scientology a dangerous cult?
Yes, it's a very dangerous cult. 0 0%
Yes, it's a fairly dangerous cult. 3 37.50%
No, not really. 2 25.00%
No, it's just a religion like all the others. 3 37.50%
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Ok first... using the first definition, I was correct. That is one complete definition.Without using ANY other part of the definition, I have properly defined the word.
Second, when Christianity was founded, it was considered unorthodox. So does something become a religion instead of a cult because of popular opinion? Nothing else changes, just opinion... means it is now religion. Wow.
Here again, I don't care if you personally hate religion, etc. I am just calling for honesty on the issue and calling mainstream Christianity a cult is completely dishonest.

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I guess I can't call you something worse than a smartass because you are a moderator... oh well... I guess I will just have to leave it at showing that I was right and let you dwell on it
I don't care much if you return the gesture of me calling you a smartass. That's what you were being and if you think I am going to come down on you for making a similar remark, then you obviously have some huge victim complex that I don't have time to address here. Further, you have failed to show that you are correct and all the cutsey little emoticons in the database aren't going to change the fact that you are flat out wrong on this point.

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OH, and just as a sidenote... I love that you say I can't cherry pick but I bet no "Christian" you know follows the bible to the word... I bet they all "cherry pick"
And that has exactly what to do with the fact that you tried to falsely portray Christianity as a cult? Oh that's right....nothing.
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The difference is that there is no forced tithing. With scientology, that's not the case.

Look, if your issue is that you despise religion or something, that's fine and you are entitled to feel that way. Let's just at least be honest in our portrayal of different religions here, ok?
I am being honest. We do not have to agree about our opinions of these.

To a true believer Tithing is as forced as getting a bill. Jesus said"Give that which is the Lords unto the Lord, and that which is Ceasars unto Ceasar"... nowhere did he amend it to say "if you feel like it"...

I do not think it is fair to call Scientology a "cult", and Christianity a "religion". Both fit the meanings of both words. To demonize one while glorifying the other is hypocritical.

One last thing. At least in this post

The bible teaches us that the church is not a building, or an organization, but the people who keep the faith. Judging by how most "Christians" act(by this I mean people who claim to be Christians), and I do mean most, I would have to say the religion is dead, or more cult like than ever.
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chuck:The bible teaches us that the church is not a building, or an organization, but the people who keep the faith. Judging by how most "Christians" act(by this I mean people who claim to be Christians), and I do mean most, I would have to say the religion is dead, or more cult like than ever.
Then you wouldn't know a lot about Christians today. Maybe what you hear on the news or some bad feedback or something. But the Christian churches are alive and well and are an organization of people as you pointed out. They take disaster relief to many countries including our own. They run homeless shelters and supply food for the needy. There are missionaries world wide quietly plodding away with their message while helping to do such things as bring clean drinking water to remote or poor areas, help clothe, house and feed people from war torn countries...
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Here again, I don't care if you personally hate religion, etc. I am just calling for honesty on the issue and calling mainstream Christianity a cult is completely dishonest.
And again, by definition, you are wrong. Look, I am not trying to pick on you, or pick at you, or do anything to you personally...

I also think mainstream Christianity is a misnomer.... the biggest thing Christ taught was to love thy neighbor, to treat others as you would yourself. Then when I say people who profess to be Christians acting as they do, I wonder who they are really following.

I wish I knew who said "There was only ever one real Christian, and we nailed him to a cross"

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I don't care much if you return the gesture of me calling you a smartass. That's what you were being and if you think I am going to come down on you for making a similar remark, then you obviously have some huge victim complex that I don't have time to address here. Further, you have failed to show that you are correct and all the cutsey little emoticons in the database aren't going to change the fact that you are flat out wrong on this point.
Actually, BY DEFINITION, I am correct. That is all I need.
Oh, and I don't think you would come down on me for calling you names... I just was living up to the one you called me... lighten up. lol

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And that has exactly what to do with the fact that you tried to falsely portray Christianity as a cult? Oh that's right....nothing.
No, I correctly(by definition) portrayed Christianity as a cult. You don't like the word.... maybe because of the negative connotation that has been stuck to it, maybe because it doesn't have enough syllables... who knows.
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Then you wouldn't know a lot about Christians today. Maybe what you hear on the news or some bad feedback or something.
No. I am judging by the people that leave church, and go right back to their unchristianlike ways. The ones that are flipping you the bird for not letting them out of the church parking lot when they wanted to get out.

The majority of the US and the world claim to be Christians... please, if that were even remotely true this world would not be in teh state it is in.

I am not saying the Christain organizations don't do great things. I think they are wonderful, and help lots of people in dire need. But, the people involved make up a small minority.

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No. I am judging by the people that leave church, and go right back to their unchristianlike ways. The ones that are flipping you the bird for not letting them out of the church parking lot when they wanted to get out.

The majority of the US and the world claim to be Christians... please, if that were even remotely true this world would not be in teh state it is in.

I am not saying the Christain organizations don't do great things. I think they are wonderful, and help lots of people in dire need. But, the people involved make up a small minority.

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Just out of curiosity...did some Christian youth group barbecue your kitten when you were a kid or something?
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No. I am judging by the people that leave church, and go right back to their unchristianlike ways. The ones that are flipping you the bird for not letting them out of the church parking lot when they wanted to get out.

The majority of the US and the world claim to be Christians... please, if that were even remotely true this world would not be in teh state it is in.

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That's like saying all businessmen are bastards; All black kids steal tires and sell dope; All athiests are dishonst.
That lady who flipped you off coming out of a Church parking lot was wrong and I have never seen anyone do that. But thank God she has a savior who has her back or else you know where she's headed.
About half the people on this board or a third are maybe Christian, and I think we've treated you with respect.
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That's like saying all businessmen are bastards; All black kids steal tires and sell dope; All athiests are dishonst.
That lady who flipped you off coming out of a Church parking lot was wrong and I have never seen anyone do that. But thank God she has a savior who has her back or else you know where she's headed.
About half the people on this board or a third are maybe Christian, and I think we've treated you with respect.
Except me cuz I called him a smartass.
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Except me cuz I called him a smartass.
If he's touching third base, he's touching third base. If it's an out, it's an out.
I don't see a problem with calling the plays correctly just because you're a Christian.
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That's like saying all businessmen are bastards; All black kids steal tires and sell dope; All athiests are dishonst.
That lady who flipped you off coming out of a Church parking lot was wrong and I have never seen anyone do that. But thank God she has a savior who has her back or else you know where she's headed.
About half the people on this board or a third are maybe Christian, and I think we've treated you with respect.
Actually, saying that most of the people who claim to be Christian do not act very christianlike is accurate. Like it or not.

Personally I don't think I have been disrespectful to you or IP at all. I have every right to voice my opinion, as you have yours. Don't like it, don't read it. As far as I know the two of you are exemplary Christians. If so congratulations, that is a very very hard thing to do in this life.

I also pointed out in simple terms that the word Cult is a correct word to use by definition.

I never said all Christians are hypocrites, I did say that most are. If all the people that claimed to be Christian acted like the man they claimed to follow, our world would be a much better, and more peaceful place.

I think the idea of church is good for many people, however, I think that the various churches have gone from a place of fellowship and worship, to a place of business. As soon as it becomes "organized", corruption falls in.

Faith is wonderful. Expressions of faith are great. It just seems to me that you all are too sensitive about a simple word.
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