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Old 10-08-2011, 06:25 PM
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and i agree that if you are on the govt. dole, you should be required to limit the amount of kids you have.
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Oh I definitely think that if someone is getting welfare they should be required to be on birth control of some sort.
I have a question for the two of you. I am of the belief an individual should not be stripped or limited of individual rights due to their financial or welfare status.

I am, however, always open to debate and a different point of view. Would either JWalker or Rivrrat care to put up a logical and intelligent debate as to why those on government assistance should have less rights than everyone else?
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Nope. We figure that anyone who offers another charity has every right to make sure the money they're giving is being spent in a manner they find acceptable, or they have every right to stop giving said charity. If I give my sister money each month to buy food for her kids and I find out she's buying drugs, you can damn well ****ing bet she's not getting another cent from me. That has nothing to do with making anyone subservient. It has everything do with determining who SHOULD be getting charity and who shouldn't. And the person/people/institution giving that charity is the one who determines that. If the person accepting the charity doesn't like the rules, they can go get their charity elsewhere.

And no, you don't need to give everyone a drug test in order to give anyone a drug test. Only those accepting charity would be required to take a drug test, per the rules of the charitable institution.
Who is we? And again you cannot take someones rights away from them. Being in need is not a crime.
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And again you cannot take someones rights away from them. Being in need is not a crime.
No one's rights are being taken away.
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I have a question for the two of you. I am of the belief an individual should not be stripped or limited of individual rights due to their financial or welfare status.

I am, however, always open to debate and a different point of view. Would either JWalker or Rivrrat care to put up a logical and intelligent debate as to why those on government assistance should have less rights than everyone else?
No rights are taken away. There are just simply rules surrounding a VOLUNTARY choice to accept money from a certain source. If I give someone money, I have ever right to place conditions on them accepting that money. That's not removing their rights. That's them voluntarily agreeing to those conditions.
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No one's rights are being taken away.
I guess you just don't understand your rights to privacy.
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No rights are taken away. There are just simply rules surrounding a VOLUNTARY choice to accept money from a certain source. If I give someone money, I have ever right to place conditions on them accepting that money. That's not removing their rights. That's them voluntarily agreeing to those conditions.
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Oh I definitely think that if someone is getting welfare they should be required to be on birth control of some sort.
You feel people on welfare should be required to be on birth control, thus not allowing them to conceive and have children.

That is taking a right away. No one should be told when and how many children they can have.

By stating people on welfare should be required to be on some form of birth control you are taking away their right to have children.
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You feel people on welfare should be required to be on birth control, thus not allowing them to conceive and have children.

That is taking a right away. No one should be told when and how many children they can have.

By stating people on welfare should be required to be on some form of birth control you are taking away their right to have children.
The state should NEVER be able to put conditions of any sort on one's right to reproductive freedom.
The state should no more be able to force people on welfare to use contraception than it should be able to force them to abort, or force them to reproduce against their will.
The state has no business meddling with the reproductive organs or the reproductive choices of its citizenry.
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You feel people on welfare should be required to be on birth control, thus not allowing them to conceive and have children.

That is taking a right away. No one should be told when and how many children they can have.

By stating people on welfare should be required to be on some form of birth control you are taking away their right to have children.
The state should NEVER be able to put conditions of any sort on one's right to reproductive freedom.
The state should no more be able to force people on welfare to use contraception than it should be able to force them to abort, or force them to reproduce against their will. And yes, coercion IS force.
The state has no business meddling with the reproductive organs or the reproductive choices of its citizenry.
If the poor can be COERCED into using contraception against their will in exchange for food and shelter, then why not coerce them into breeding against their will and handing their offspring over to the state to be sold to the wealthy, or used for medical experimentation, or whatever? It's the same principle. They don't have to do it. They can always... not eat.
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I guess you just don't understand your rights to privacy.
So when companies require I take a drug test as a condition of employment, my right to privacy is violated?

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You feel people on welfare should be required to be on birth control, thus not allowing them to conceive and have children.

That is taking a right away. No one should be told when and how many children they can have.

By stating people on welfare should be required to be on some form of birth control you are taking away their right to have children.
No, I'm not. They're voluntarily agreeing to it as a condition of the charity they receive. No rights are taken away in the slightest.
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The state should NEVER be able to put conditions of any sort on one's right to reproductive freedom.
The state should no more be able to force people on welfare to use contraception than it should be able to force them to abort, or force them to reproduce against their will. And yes, coercion IS force.
The state has no business meddling with the reproductive organs or the reproductive choices of its citizenry.
If the poor can be COERCED into using contraception against their will in exchange for food and shelter, then why not coerce them into breeding against their will and handing their offspring over to the state to be sold to the wealthy, or used for medical experimentation, or whatever? It's the same principle. They don't have to do it. They can always... not eat.
Very well. Then if they have additional children, they don't get any additional money. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
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