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Scrap it 3 13.64%
Keep it 9 40.91%
Change it (please explain) 10 45.45%
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Old 02-09-2008, 07:00 AM
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Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from the rule of jus soli whereby any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship. This status is unaffected by the legal status or the citizenship of that individual's mother or father. American Indian tribal members are not covered specifically by the constitutional guarantee, but they were made citizens automatically by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. Children born to foreign diplomats or to hostile enemy forces or born on U.S. territory while it is under the control of a foreign power are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and therefore are not citizens at birth. Throughout much of the history of the United States, the fundamental legal principle governing citizenship has been that birth within the territorial limits of the United States confers United States citizenship, although the United States did not grant citizenship to all black former slaves until the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was subsequently confirmed by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Most laws work until situations or loopholes arise that destroy the original intent of the law itself...

When this first went into effect, the subject of "anchor babies" was not in play...

But now that they are, do the laws need to change or do you believe that birthright citizenship should stay?...
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I think the law should be changed,at least one parent should have US citizenship.
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If an American citizen has their baby overseas or in a foreign country is it denied its American citizenship? Is it automatically a citizen of ANY of those other countries. NO
We are the ONLY country in the world that "grants" citizenship by birthright.
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If an American citizen has their baby overseas or in a foreign country is it denied its American citizenship? Is it automatically a citizen of ANY of those other countries. NO
We are the ONLY country in the world that "grants" citizenship by birthright.
I am sure the laws have been revamped since there are no longer two Germanies but when my cousin was born in West Germany, he was automatically granted citizenship there.
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I have told this story before but it's worth repeating. An acquaintance of mine was transferred to London,they were expecting a child so his wife went along with the move. In a few months,their new baby boy was delivered. They were under the impression that their child was automatically a UK citizen until their doctor informed them that this was not the case! He told them that one parent had to be British. This may also be true in other nations.
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As much a I would like to kick every illegal alien's a$$ before he/she started walking home at his own expense, I do not want the law changed that says a baby born on this soil is a United States citizen. I do not want the mother automatically a shoe in for citizenship either. And I don't care if that breaks up families. She can go back home with the baby and deal with her own government, or she can place the baby up for adoption with all the legal rights any other natural citizen orphan would have. Then she can leave.
That may sound harsh and I know there would be some "good people" caught up in the red tape too, but that's how I feel.
But as for the baby and anyone seeking asylum as a refugee of war or persecution:
This is us. This is who we are. If our ancestors left a dictatorship and swam, flew or walked to an American shore, they were granted U.S. citizen status. If my mother thought I would have a better life and swam the Rio Grande, dropped me in a corn field and deposited me on a door stoop, then she sacrificed as much as any soldier in the Revolutionary War. She earned the right for her child to grow up in a free land.
Call me corny. But this country really is the last best hope for this old world of ours!
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As much a I would like to kick every illegal alien's a$$ before he/she started walking home at his own expense, I do not want the law changed that says a baby born on this soil is a United States citizen. I do not want the mother automatically a shoe in for citizenship either. And I don't care if that breaks up families. She can go back home with the baby and deal with her own government, or she can place the baby up for adoption with all the legal rights any other natural citizen orphan would have. Then she can leave.
That may sound harsh and I know there would be some "good people" caught up in the red tape too, but that's how I feel.
But as for the baby and anyone seeking asylum as a refugee of war or persecution:
This is us. This is who we are. If our ancestors left a dictatorship and swam, flew or walked to an American shore, they were granted U.S. citizen status. If my mother thought I would have a better life and swam the Rio Grande, dropped me in a corn field and deposited me on a door stoop, then she sacrificed as much as any soldier in the Revolutionary War. She earned the right for her child to grow up in a free land.
Call me corny. But this country really is the last best hope for this old world of ours!
I like your compassion. The problems arise from the even MORE compassionate plea about the baby is a citizen so how can you tell the mother that she can't stay to "feed" them. Then of course the "husband" and the siblings and grandparents thus we have what are called anchor babies. Possibly the correct answer might be that at the age of maturity (21) the "baby" would get an "option" but then they wouldn't have the experience of being "American" while growing up. It's enough to make one wish for simpler times. I'm afraid that compassion is rapidly being forced OUT of society. Perhaps if charity (welfare and soon medicine) was not forced from tax payers many more would feel better about it.
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Most laws work until situations or loopholes arise that destroy the original intent of the law itself...

When this first went into effect, the subject of "anchor babies" was not in play...

But now that they are, do the laws need to change or do you believe that birthright citizenship should stay?...
I think it should change.The 14th amendment was written to make freed slaves citizens of the Untied States not so someone can sneak into the country to pop out anchor babies.The supreme court should take into account the reason why the 14th was written.I think the only way a child should qualify for birth right citizenship is if the mother herself is a citizen.
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I like your compassion. The problems arise from the even MORE compassionate plea about the baby is a citizen so how can you tell the mother that she can't stay to "feed" them. Then of course the "husband" and the siblings and grandparents thus we have what are called anchor babies. Possibly the correct answer might be that at the age of maturity (21) the "baby" would get an "option" but then they wouldn't have the experience of being "American" while growing up. It's enough to make one wish for simpler times. I'm afraid that compassion is rapidly being forced OUT of society. Perhaps if charity (welfare and soon medicine) was not forced from tax payers many more would feel better about it.
We can only hope -and if we are the praying kind -pray that citizens and non will have to make a living the old fashioned way. As with Maynard G. Crebbs the word work may scare the holy heck out of a few, but when the hunger pangs set in (or craving for tobacco, electricity, roof over the head), former food stamp families will cut up their credit cards and start beating the pavement to find gainful employment.
And just because I am enjoying this particular fantasy, I'll take it a step farther.
People will start to become nice again, because without all those free classes on how to look for a job, they will quickly learn what it really means to "network".
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We can only hope -and if we are the praying kind -pray that citizens and non will have to make a living the old fashioned way. As with Maynard G. Crebbs the word work may scare the holy heck out of a few, but when the hunger pangs set in (or craving for tobacco, electricity, roof over the head), former food stamp families will cut up their credit cards and start beating the pavement to find gainful employment.
And just because I am enjoying this particular fantasy, I'll take it a step farther.
People will start to become nice again, because without all those free classes on how to look for a job, they will quickly learn what it really means to "network".
It is exactly the government "intervention" that has eliminated the "proper" social constructs that used to take care of such things.
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