I get what you're saying, dga, and I agree with you.
Just like to point out religion is also used by chauvinists (and terrorists) to keep people in line with guilt.

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At a minimum both parents should be here legally. Would rather see it at least one parent a citizen.

20 votes and the "Change it" is leading. But change it to what?

Has anyone a darn good answer to that question with out an open boarder policy behind it?

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Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson.. (1709 - 1784) Faith is what mine is built upon..

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

An open border policy is the only alternative that makes any sense. We're not gonna defeat the inpour of illegals any way other than putting land mines along the border, and I don't think Mexico will be too fond of that. meanwhile we're creating a draining underground economy.

-Dr House :

Sorry but I can't accept that is the only answer. For you maybe but for America I think not.

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All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson.. (1709 - 1784) Faith is what mine is built upon..

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

If there was any way (and I doubt there is -but one can hope) to make Mexico about forty more states of the Union, I'd say that would be the best plan.
We would gain her natural resources and she would gain our protection and other benefits.
Other than that, an open border policy would stink.

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I agree salty. But Senator Finestine and others slipped a immigration bill that serves 3,000 only, into a bill for our troops resupply. It is to come up for a vote by the end of the week. So if this kind of crap bothers anyone e-mail your Congressperson/Senators using my siggy or your own way.

Seems to me the Dem's just cut their throats in thi selection. If I could bet on the out come of the election I would put my money on McCain even though that is the worst possible choice. 2 party system my ash!

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All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson.. (1709 - 1784) Faith is what mine is built upon..

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

What is it with her and immigration? Does she get a kick back or what?
That is low. The troop thing should be a stand alone or have only stuff that pertains to the war effort.
What a scam. You bet I'll write my congressman. What happened to the line item veto?

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Excuse me, but did you even read the bill? It was posted in another thread by James Rage.

http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ope...ding-bill.html

While I agree that it has no place in the Iraq spending bill, if guest workers are needed and there is no other way to get them, what are they supposed to do? When you complain, be sure to suggest alternate solutions for the worker shortage,

Dga, I saw it on Lou Dobbs and he had the Senator who heads the committee who himself was upset because no talks were held and it was slipped into his
committees bill. I found this earlier today. I would like any eleccted member to bring things to the floor for a vote not sneak one pass us! That is the real issue i am talking about.
Just took a google search to find this. Michelle Malkin Update: More details

Amnesty alert: Feinstein reportedly trying to sneak one through Update: Yup, it’s in there; Update: More details
By Michelle Malkin • May 15, 2008 02:35 PM Scroll down for updates…Feinstein/Craig amendment passes…More details….

My friends at NumbersUSA have sent out a warning that Sen. Dianne Feinstein may attempt to sneak an illegal alien amnesty measure into the Iraq supplemental war spending bill. (Yes, the same bill the White House is trying to stuff the Merida Initiative into, too.)

More info:

Our NumbersUSA Capitol Hill Team got several confirmations through both Democratic and Republican sources that Sen. Feinstein (D-Calif.) was preparing to add an [agricultural] amnesty to the Iraq bill Thursday afternoon in the Senate Appropriations Committee.

We don’t know the details of the amnesty. There is some chance she may try to slip it through by not including permanent legalization but just giving one or two million illegal ag workers a 5-year amnesty that allows them to work and live here while further sinking roots. The open-borders champions hope that the longer illegal aliens stay the more difficult it will ever be to deny them U.S. citizenship.

We need phone calls into the offices of members of the Senate Appropriations Committee — massively and immediately!

202-224-3121

If you live in the state of one of these Senators, please make a phone call immediately.

If you don’t have a Senator on the Committee, you may want to call a Senator in another state with which you have some attachment. We particularly need extra phone calls to Senators from small-population states.

Here are the Appropriations Senators who need your call:

Alexander (R-Tenn.)
Allard (R-Colo.)
Byrd (D-West Va.)
Bennett (R-Utah)
Bond (R-Mo.)
Brownback (R-Kan.)
Cochran (R-Miss.)
Craig (R-Idaho)
Domenici (R-N.M.)
Dorgan (D-N.D.)
Durbin (D-Ill.)
Feinstein (D-Calif.)
Gregg (R-N.H.)
Harkin (D-Iowa)
Hutchison (R-Texas)
Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Johnson (D-S.D.)
Kohl (D-Wis.)
Landrieu (D-La.)
Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Leahy (D-Vt.)
McConnell (R-Ky.)
Mikulski (D-Md.)
Murray (D-Wash)
Nelson (D-Neb.)
Reed (D-R.I.)
Shelby (R-Ala.)
Specter (R-Pa.)
Stevens (R-Alaska)

…North Carolina growers, for example, have set up a North Carolina Growers Association that meets all of the ag labor needs through local workers and through legal foreign workers brought through the H-2A visa which ensures that the guest workers go home. Why shouldn’t California growers play by the same rules as law-abiding farmers in other states?

Based on past experience, there is a good chance that Feinstein will decide not to introduce her amnesty Thursday afternoon if she feels there is a major move against it. That’s what we want. Please let every member of the committee know just how worked up citizens get as soon as they hear of a possibility of an amnesty.

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All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson.. (1709 - 1784) Faith is what mine is built upon..

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)