Should birthright citizenship continue? - Page 5

Gordon Shumway · #41 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Jeremiah Was An Albatross,just curious,what does this article have to do with birthright citizenship..

the link to my blog is in my signature --- it wasn't meant as a response to this topic. My response to the topic at hand was simply Abdul Rahman Yasin. You may have heard of him. Involved with the 1993 bombing of the WTC. Iraqi parents in Indiana as his father was studying for his PhD when little Abdul was born giving him birthright citizenship --- even though neither parent was an American citizen nor were they applying for citizenship nor did they have any interest in such.

Adept1 · #42 (**permalink**) 03-23-2008, 01:37 AM

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but this one kid is still legally an illegal so he's afraid to apply for anything for fear that he could get in trouble. He drives without a drivers license because he was afraid to ever go get one. This kid lives as an adult in fear for something that has nothing really to do with him. He is being punished for what his parents did. He got excellent grades in school but he can't go to college without fear and he can't get jobs without working under the table because he has no papers. Meanwhile his brothers and sisters are completely fine. He actually considered leaving the US to go make a life for himself in Mexico since he feels he can't live freely here or amount to much given his situation. But he doesn't know Mexico, doesn't know anyone in Mexico, has no family that he knows there. Here is his home and what is happening to him and folks that grew up here like him is outrageous. Something should definitely be done for people like him. He broke no laws. No one can hold a 3 year old accountable for illegally crossing a border.

This is a perfect example of what is WRONG with "illegal alienship"(not a joke; my words made to fit a situation). It creates what can only be referred to as a "second class citizen". A person that must live in fear and a person that others may easily take advantage of in the form of "soft slavery" for employment. A person that cannot come forward when a crime is committed against them. A person that must HIDE from the government and police. A person with none of the benefits of citizenship. His parents should be prosecuted for inflicting this "life" upon a child.

dga · #43 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 04:10 PM

Not sure what you refer to as "anchor babies". Immigration law only allows children to petition their parents for legal residency when they reach the age of 21. If the parents are illegal (and they actually get caught), I have never heard of them not being deported because their child was a citizen. There might be "bleeding hearts" out there, but neither USCIS nor ICE listens to them.

I agree that the children are not at fault and should have the benefit of birthright citizenship, notwithstanding the parent's legal status.

cnredd · #44 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dga

Not sure what you refer to as "anchor babies". Immigration law only allows children to petition their parents for legal residency when they reach the age of 21. If the parents are illegal (and they actually get caught), I have never heard of them not being deported because their child was a citizen. There might be "bleeding hearts" out there, but neither USCIS nor ICE listens to them.

I agree that the children are not at fault and should have the benefit of birthright citizenship, notwithstanding the parent's legal status.

Children are not at fault when the parents rob a bank or do anything else where they end up in prison for 20 years and leave the child without parental supervision...It's the fault of the parents...

Just like it is here...

Children aren't punished by the system...They're punished by their parents because it's THEY who broke the law...

dga · #45 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 05:02 PM

Yes, and it is the parent who goes to jail and not the child.

If a parent gets deported, it is their choice to take the child with them or not. The point is, it does not benefit the parent to have an American child, as that child cannot grant them immigrant status, hence my issue with the term "anchor babies".

So, birthright citizenship is only a benefit to the child, who is not at fault, and should not be punished. Then if someone gets AIDS from unprotected sex or a drug addiction, should we not do anything to avoid the child being infected?? Aren't people who have cocaine addicted babies thrown in jail? I've never heard of them throwing the baby right in with them. This is the 21st century, certainly we don't still subscribe to "the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son".

Modern by convenience...

mlurp · #46 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 07:29 PM

What he can't apply for legal status or a work/school visa? And being a young man he might drink I'm sure he doesn't fear going to the store or shops and driving without a license means no Insurance! So if he runs into you will you feel better once your insurance company fixes your auto and rasies your rates?

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Originally Posted by Adept1

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but this one kid is still legally an illegal so he's afraid to apply for anything for fear that he could get in trouble. He drives without a drivers license because he was afraid to ever go get one. This kid lives as an adult in fear for something that has nothing really to do with him. He is being punished for what his parents did. He got excellent grades in school but he can't go to college without fear and he can't get jobs without working under the table because he has no papers. Meanwhile his brothers and sisters are completely fine. He actually considered leaving the US to go make a life for himself in Mexico since he feels he can't live freely here or amount to much given his situation. But he doesn't know Mexico, doesn't know anyone in Mexico, has no family that he knows there. Here is his home and what is happening to him and folks that grew up here like him is outrageous. Something should definitely be done for people like him. He broke no laws. No one can hold a 3 year old accountable for illegally crossing a border.

This is a perfect example of what is WRONG with "illegal alienship"(not a joke; my words made to fit a situation). It creates what can only be referred to as a "second class citizen". A person that must live in fear and a person that others may easily take advantage of in the form of "soft slavery" for employment. A person that cannot come forward when a crime is committed against them. A person that must HIDE from the government and police. A person with none of the benefits of citizenship. His parents should be prosecuted for inflicting this "life" upon a child.

saltwn · #47 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

Yes, I can't imagine refusing to grant citizenship to a child born here. I agree wholeheartedly!! In fact I'd go one further and automatically grant citizenship to any illegal minor that has been in school here in the US for more than a few years. Not sure how many but if the kid basically grew up here they should be a citizen.I respectfully disagree. It is not his fault, but it is his lot to have been born to parents who entered illegally.

If we are not going to go about the business of going door to door, searching out illegals, But we should be. It has become a significant problemo.and sending them back to their country then we are partially at fault for the plight of their children. You wouldn't blame a kid for the parent being an alcoholic, burglar, or any other type of criminal. And I already pay in spades for their free health care and counseling due to their parents mistakes. But they are legal citizens with a right to those services.There are lots of kids who grow up here and then are punished as adults for what their parents did, And that is the luck of the draw. Give to their village in Mexico, but don't ask me to support them.meanwhile no one effectively stopped their parents from doing what they were doing. I saw a show on this boy who was 19. His parents brought him here illegally at the age of 3. He grew up here. He only remembers ever living here. The US is home. After coming here his parents had 2 other children, both born here. Those children, his siblings, are citizens. Now the siblings were able to apply for college, apply for college loans, ect but this one kid is still legally an illegal so he's afraid to apply for anything for fear that he could get in trouble. He drives without a drivers license because he was afraid to ever go get one. This kid lives as an adult in fear for something that has nothing really to do with him. He is being punished for what his parents did. He got excellent grades in school but he can't go to college without fear and he can't get jobs without working under the table because he has no papers. Meanwhile his brothers and sisters are completely fine. He actually considered leaving the US to go make a life for himself in Mexico since he feels he can't live freely here or amount to much given his situation. But he doesn't know Mexico, doesn't know anyone in Mexico, has no family that he knows there. Here is his home and what is happening to him and folks that grew up here like him is outrageous. Something should definitely be done for people like him. He broke no laws. No one can hold a 3 year old accountable for illegally crossing a border.

They just deported a young man who had been living among us for nine years. I'm sure he had to have been here since he was at least a teenager. I mentioned this in another post. One thing's for sure. He probably got a better education here than he would have otherwise. He is taking back some skills. Maybe he will help effect a revolution in Mexico (which they sorely need

) and change the way things are down there. Trouble is there would have been a couple (at least ) of BOOMS in this country and the little spurts we did feel would have stimulated the economy far better than those tax rebates, if we hadn't had so much illegal immigration.

saltwn · #48 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dga

Yes, and it is the parent who goes to jail and not the child.

If a parent gets deported, it is their choice to take the child with them or not. The point is, it does not benefit the parent to have an American child, as that child cannot grant them immigrant status, hence my issue with the term "anchor babies".

So, birthright citizenship is only a benefit to the child, who is not at fault, and should not be punished. Then if someone gets AIDS from unprotected sex or a drug addiction, should we not do anything to avoid the child being infected?? Aren't people who have cocaine addicted babies thrown in jail? I've never heard of them throwing the baby right in with them. This is the 21st century, certainly we don't still subscribe to "the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son".

Modern by convenience...

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Let's have an immigration and naturalization party!! Let's call it the Democratic Party!!

mlurp · #49 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:58 PM

I think it should be once a child is born in our country that the parents be asked if they want citizenship status! Then depending on the answer they should go through the process of achiving the same. And learn our language and adjust their and our cultures so they fit in well with their new neighbors and fellow citizens.
But by the laws that already is in place and any future changes to the same.
The first thing one needs to understand is that we are a nation made up of laws so each can enjoy and grow.

dga · #50 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Green Card

Obtaining a Green Card through Relatives is one possible option for individuals who have close relatives or family members in the United States. Family members may be eligible to apply for permanent residence (Green Card) if the sponsoring relative is a United States citizen.

The family member who will sponsor you for a Green Card can be your:

* Husband or wife (please refer to our Green Card through Marriage application)
* Widow or widower of a U.S. citizen
* Brother or sister (including half-brothers and half-sisters)
* Son or daughter (including illegitimate children)
* Stepson or stepdaughter
* Stepparent of a U.S. citizen child
* Adopted son or daughter
* Adopted parent (please refer to our Green Card through Adoption section)
* Father or mother
* Battered or abused spouse or child

Let's have an immigration and naturalization party!! Let's call it the Democratic Party!!

What you either ignore, or don't feel the need to point out in your little chart here is that 1) you cannot petition your parent or sibling until you are 21 years old, and 2) if you came over the fence, i.e. from Mexico WITHOUT some sort of visa, be that student, worker, etc. You CANNOT apply for a green card, EVER.

Immigration laws are much tougher than the average American realizes. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

Immigration through a Family Member

If the sponsor is a U.S. Citizen, they may petition for the following foreign national relatives to immigrate to the U.S:

Husband or wife
Unmarried child under 21 years of age
Unmarried son or daughter over 21
Married son or daughter of any age
Brother or sister, if the sponsor is at least 21 years old, or
Parent, if the sponsor is at least 21 years old.

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-485instr.pdf

10. Who Is Not Eligible to Adjust Status.

Unless you are applying for creation of record based on continuous residence since before January 1, 1972, or adjustment of status under a category in which special rules apply (such as 245(i) adjustment [this is the category any type of anmesty would fall under], asylum adjustment, Cuban adjustment, special immigrant juvenile adjustment, or special immigrant military personnel adjustment), you are not eligible for adjustment of status if any of the following apply to you:

C. You were not admitted or paroled following inspection by an immigration officer; (This would apply to any person who crossed the border without being paroled into the country - as opposed as to entering with a tourist visa).

There are a number of others, including working here illegally, and overstaying your visa. But it is this one that would not allow them to ever adjust their status, not even with an American child. So, as I said, citizenship will not benefit the parent. They took care of this little loop hole back in the 70s.

True blue, baby!

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