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View Poll Results: Should organ donation after death be opt-in or opt-out?
opt-in 6 46.15%
opt-out 7 53.85%
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: Should organ donation after death be opt-in or opt-out?

In the American system there is a defined right to property and the most valuable property that a person owns his himself. A program that requires and opt out versus an opt in is the largest threat to this theory that we are our own masters.

If a person has not gone through the time and expense of a will, or they have changed their mind on the death bed, those wishes will not be met because at the time of death the organs become the property of the state.

While I sympathize with those who need organ transplants, I fear that this encroachment on personal rights is far more dire. Instead of FORCING people to give freely what is theirs, we should be encouraging. The only time I have even been asked about donating my organs I was at the DMV getting my license. Doctors haven't asked me, pastors haven't asked me, there have been few popular campaigns...

And I support and opt in program obviously but I accidentally voted the wrong way. So the numbers in the poll are off by 1.
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Default Re: Should organ donation after death be opt-in or opt-out?

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This gave me a start. I was recently hospitalized and had to be transferred from our local hospital to another.

At both facilities part of the admission process was to ask if I wanted to be a donor and I then had to sign off on the permission form.

Does anyone know if this is not standard practice in U.S. hospitals?

Also we, in Alabama, are asked when renewing our driver's license if we wish to be a donor.

Is this not standard in other states?

No. It is different in different states and sometimes hospital policies are more up to date/or not.
For instance if you are part of a large chain that has a transplant specialty (like Mayo Clinic), I think your procedures would reflect the facilitation of signed donors.
And remember, not everyone has a drivers license, although I guess they probably ask the same questions for holders of IDs. I've moved around quite a bit and some DMVs ask, some don't.
I know some hospitals ask, but don't talk to you about it at any length. Some send in a counselor to talk about this and other stuff.
Also in the hospital setting, I would think this question might be upsetting to someone about to have a serious surgery. Maybe they never encountered this question before and now on the eve of God knows what, they are being asked if they would like to part with their organs.
I don't know what proceedure should be used, but I think taking that question out of the hospital setting is just common sense.
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I know some hospitals ask, but don't talk to you about it at any length. Some send in a counselor to talk about this and other stuff.
Also in the hospital setting, I would think this question might be upsetting to someone about to have a serious surgery. Maybe they never encountered this question before and now on the eve of God knows what, they are being asked if they would like to part with their organs.

I guess maybe I am weird but that question didn't even phase me.

I was in for tests but full anesthesia was being used (always risky) and that question came shortly after the "worst case scenario" discussion where yet another doctor pointed out that I might have cancer.

Already knowing that it was possible that I could either die or find out that I had cancer, it only made sense to me to make sure that the donor question was taken care of.
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I am for explicit consent only. I don't want government in the middle of a personal choice, whether it is abortion (with some restrictions) or organ donation.

I read a story about China, and the law enforcement taking prisoners to a soccer stadium for mass executions with ambulances in waiting to harvest the organs.
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Organs to be taken without consent

I'm against this...

Knowing that saving a patient teetering on death will lose "products" that could be used to help others will make doctors think twice about doing all they can...especially in cases where the "value of life" wouldn't be high even if they do save the patient...

Doctor - "We COULD save the patient, but if we do, this guy will live the rest of his life in a bed hooked to a machine...and he'll probably only last another 8 months anyway...It's better if we just take what we need from this guy and use his organs where they'll be put to better use."...

If you have never worked in an ER (or associated functions) this is not something that you would be aware of. When doctors, nurses and assorted technicians are fighting to save a life, they are not privy to the paperwork signed, or the organ donation status, etc. They are in that one space at that time, tring to keep the patient alive. if the patient is initially saved and is on life support with no brain function, that's different.

There is a very short time period from the time that a person dies until the organs become useless. It varies by organ, but same principle.
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I sympathize with the situation, but in the interest of fairness, I must ask this question...

How would your brother feel if he found out the doctors intentionally let a patient with a 10% chance at a viable life (let's say irreversible head trauma) drift off without trying in order for your brother to continue his life?...
I don't understand why you think that would happen, let alone become commonplace.
They already have to insure themselves out the wazoo for malpractice--why would they make it worse?
Motor voter works. Make opt-out option VERY clear at the time of license renewal. That's all. A simple "yes" or "no" from the driver. Make it impossible to get uninformed consent.
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I don't understand why you think that would happen, let alone become commonplace.
They already have to insure themselves out the wazoo for malpractice--why would they make it worse?
Motor voter works. Make opt-out option VERY clear at the time of license renewal. That's all. A simple "yes" or "no" from the driver. Make it impossible to get uninformed consent.
Why don't we make the opt in option clear at license renewal? That way the government isn't taking the rights of the people through complacency.
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Organs to be taken without consent

I'm against this...

Knowing that saving a patient teetering on death will lose "products" that could be used to help others will make doctors think twice about doing all they can...especially in cases where the "value of life" wouldn't be high even if they do save the patient...

Doctor - "We COULD save the patient, but if we do, this guy will live the rest of his life in a bed hooked to a machine...and he'll probably only last another 8 months anyway...It's better if we just take what we need from this guy and use his organs where they'll be put to better use."...
Man I disagree entirely. Maybe not entirely. Doctors have to take and uphold the Hippocratic Oath, which is very important to most doctors. The only doctors who would ever do what you're suggesting are terrible doctors who will inevitably lose their jobs in disgrace because they're terrible doctors.

Where I don't necessarily disagree is on the merits of the policy. It might be the lesser of two evils, the other evil being the violation of property rights. It's dead flesh and peoples' lives are at stake, I mean fuck dude.
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I finally voted for opt-out though I would like to add that I think this should be for adults only. I don't see opt-out as workable when it comes to underage children and teens.

I asked my lady what she thought of this and something she said is what finally decided me.

She pointed out that those that feel strongly enough about this to be against their organs being used are going to make it their business to know what the law is. I think she is right about that. I have some friends who are Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance, and they know more about the laws concerning blood transfusions and organ donation worldwide than I know about the laws in the U.S.

And I don't think that the vast majority of doctors are like to abuse this law for profit or for their own "playing god" purposes. The ones that will are going to abuse patient trust in some way no matter what the law is. I don't see how this change in the law would encourage them to be any worse.
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Why not. Theoretically the Soul has left the body on death, so what does it matter?
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