that is truly sad. If they were getting married, what difference did it make. They were doing the right thing.

Ethics and morality are not dead otherwise we'd see anarchy everywhere and thankfully we're a long way from that.

I imagine that costco wasn't attempting to "punish" the young engaged couple for not living together. They probably have a policy which states that members of a single household can hold joint accounts. Business cards are allowed to have joint members who don't live together but individual cards only offer joint accounts for single households.

Business wise this makes sense. Otherwise everyone on the block could pay for one costco membership and have all the neighbors be "joint" members on the account. Costco would lose money.

So their intent is to limit the joint accounts to "households" to maximize their profits. To suggest they have an interest in getting young people to live together prior to marriage is frankly absurd.

The clerk most likely suggested they would have been better off if they had lied because the lie would have been somewhat inconsequential as I imagine shortly the young couple will in fact share a single residence.

Mostly I think the O.P. is making a mountain out of a molehill.

As for the poll I voted that majority still believes in honor. There are differences of opinion on whether or not something is dishonorable but I have faith in humanity and the majority of people I come across in my daily goings on are seemingly good people.

How can any issue over a costco membership be truly sad?

It's not a matter of married or unmarried. It's a matter of having one account extend to multiple households vs one household. Nothing to cry about.

I am not sure what believing in honor has to do with Ethics and morals.

honor

Pronunciation: (on'ur), [key]
—n.
1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
2. a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family.
3. high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
4. such respect manifested: a memorial in honor of the dead.
5. high public esteem; fame; glory: He has earned his position of honor.
6. the privilege of being associated with or receiving a favor from a respected person, group, organization, etc.: to have the honor of serving on a prize jury; I have the honor of introducing this evening's speaker.




Ethics and morals are just spoken or written teaching that people are taught to help people co-operate and get along in a society. They change from society to society, from city to city, from culture to culture. They are now becoming consistent multiculturally, because of Television, instant worldwide communication, the internet, and nuclear weapons. The bible is not the source of morals and ethics. They existed before the bible. The bible just copied then already established ideals, ethics and morals into the teachings.

The morals and ethics of a two thouand year old culture have nothing to do with the Morals of modern European based cultures. there are to many variables. and new cultural influences.

I think that the bigger issue isn't the lack of morals and ethics, but weak and simplistic ideas of morals and ethics. Ethics and morals do no fucking good when they're just knee jerk, in fact I'd attribute most of our problems to knee jerk ethics and knee jerk morals.

Morality to me isn't Christinity (in and of itself) or exclusion of others who are not of that mindset. Morality is an openness to people of other faiths and mindsets who harm no one. Morality is inclusion and warmth (whenever possible) as opposed to exclusion and fear. It isn't about who you have mutually consensual adult sex with in private. It isn't about hunting or not hunting, carnivore, omnivore or herbivore. It isn't about tattoos and piercings or arts & crafts, boy scouts, girl scouts or the United Way.

Morality is teaching your children the realities of the world rather than shielding them from it. Mortality is educating yourself open-mindedly about politics and voting in an informed manner. Morality is accepting NOTHING at face value and questioning EVERYTHING (the single most important lesson of my 4 year undergraduate career). Morality is raising children in a loving and good-hearted manner that allows them to question and learn. Morality is kindness to animals and respect for their quality of life. Morality is looking others--be they human or other life forms--directly in the eye and connecting with their soul (even if that other being is an enemy). Morality is kind.

I'm a former Christian, but even I believe the passage in I Corintiains 13 pretty much sums up most of it.

In short, morality is kind heartedness--not hatred.

Based on this I would say that some religious groups have eroded the standards of morality in this nation just as much as some other factions.

That's pretty screwed up.

It sounds like the lady was pretty cynical.

I think that there are changes in the society's general belief about what is moral and what is not, but I wouldn't really say that it is on the decline. I do believe that MOST people are honorable, but the part that gets shown off in the country more is the dishonorable side.

Having ethics and morals does not mean that you will face no consequences for acting on them. I think that this is part of the problem.

People expect kudos for acting in ways that THEY believe are right. They are not satisfied with using their own sense of right and wrong as a guide.

No, I think it has to do with who is financially responsible.

Two people who are living together have made a financial commitment to each other.

Two people who are engaged but living separately is different.

From a credit card company's POV, who would be ultimately responsible for the bill? Who's address would it go to?

I think it was a perfectly reasonable response.