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Old 02-13-2009, 02:16 AM
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Default Obama: Caterpillar to rehire if stimulus passes

if there is ANYTHING you took away from the first few weeks of an Obama presidency, let it be this...

Obama likes to lie to get the public on his side...

Obama: Caterpillar to rehire if stimulus passes

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President Barack Obama said Wednesday that heavy-equipment maker Caterpillar has informed him it will rehire some of the thousands of workers it has laid off in recent weeks if Congress passes an economic stimulus bill.

"The time for talk has passed," Obama said.

The president's travel to pitch the urgency of the stimulus plan was his third day in a row to leave Washington. On Thursday, he goes to Peoria, Ill., to visit a Caterpillar manufacturing plant.

The world's largest maker of mining and construction machinery announced more than 22,000 job cuts last month amid waning demand for its products.

But Obama said the company told him Wednesday it would hire back some of those workers if the legislation passes. As House and Senate negotiators worked to reconcile differences between competing versions of the legislation, Obama spoke during a visit to a highway construction site here just outside of Washington.
Oh really?...

Now let's listen to the executives from their own damn mouths...

D'oh! Caterpillar CEO Contradicts President on Whether Stimulus Will Allow Him to Re-Hire Laid Off Workers

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EAST PEORIA, ILL. -- President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., "said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

But after the president left the event, Owens said the exact opposite.

Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"

"It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill" means re-hiring, he said.

Owens supports the stimulus plan, but said it would take some time to have an impact on his industry and "is a little light on the heavy construction."
So while Obama tells the American public that this porkulus bill will save the world and bring about unicorns, the people directly involved would rather look at reality...
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Old 02-13-2009, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: Obama: Caterpillar to rehire if stimulus passes

Moreover, I get the feeling that Obama still thinks he's campaigning ... trying to boost his popularity, then actually being POTUS.

Someone needs to tell him that the POTUS has to cut back on the pep rallies and scripted news conferences, and actually start doing the job at some point.

So far, he's done nothing. The pork bill wasn't even his. Well, it was in the sense that he supported spending, whatever spending it was. Rahm called Nancy and Harry and told them to take advantage of the 'crisis'. That's about as far as Obama got involved in that one...
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But Obama said the company told him Wednesday it would hire back some of those workers if the legislation passes.
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Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"
"It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill" means re-hiring, he said.
Hardly "the exact opposite".

Obama said they will rehire. He made no implications of "when".

Furthermore, Obama specified "the company told him".
If he (or his representatives) never talked to the company, then obviously he lied. He screwed up.
But I think that conversation happened.
"Owens" never denied the discussion.
I would love to know what was actually said, cause people are jumping to the conclusion that the President lied, when there is obviously another option...
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You know something? This thread is another example of some people who seem to be hopeful Obama does badly. Its never ending. The guy is trying like hell to build someconfidence in the country but the right is almost gleeull when what he does doesn't work out every time. Its really sad to watch this over and over.
Its like some folks are sitting out there saying. "Don't do well Obama becuase we don't like you" Even though its screwing themselves. Nutty.
You may not like Obama but this is an emergency. I didn't like Bush. But when 9-11 happened the country got behind him. We gave him the chance to lead us all. Me as well. But that will never happen from the right. They are always going to be happy with anything they can tout as a failure. In fact everytime there is even the slightest chance he might be having a little trouble is like a wound that they want to throw salt in.

HEY, THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR COUNTRY. LETS STOP DRAGGING THE GUY DOWN AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. ITS STARTING TO BE LIKE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT
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You know something? This thread is another example of some people who seem to be hopeful Obama does badly. Its never ending.
Quit whining.
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The guy is trying like hell to build someconfidence in the country but the right is almost gleeull when what he does doesn't work out every time. Its really sad to watch this over and over.
Whine, whine, whine. This from the people who openly insulted President Bush every second of the the day for 8 ****ing years . Now, you whine because people point out Obama's legitimate **** ups when he makes them. Really pathetic man...

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Its like some folks are sitting out there saying. "Don't do well Obama becuase we don't like you" Even though its screwing themselves. Nutty.
You may not like Obama but this is an emergency. I didn't like Bush. But when 9-11 happened the country got behind him. We gave him the chance to lead us all. Me as well. But that will never happen from the right. They are always going to be happy with anything they can tout as a failure. In fact everytime there is even the slightest chance he might be having a little trouble is like a wound that they want to throw salt in.
Were you ever going to actually comment on the topic of the thread, or are you just complaining that not everyone worships your messiah?

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HEY, THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR COUNTRY. LETS STOP DRAGGING THE GUY DOWN AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. ITS STARTING TO BE LIKE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT
Again, your pleas would be meaningful had you been saying that for the prior 8 years as well ... instead, you completely lack credibility. At the very least perhaps you finally understand that you reap what you sow.
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Quit whining. Whine, whine, whine. This from the people who openly insulted President Bush every second of the the day for 8 ****ing years . Now, you whine because people point out Obama's legitimate **** ups when he makes them. Really pathetic man...

Were you ever going to actually comment on the topic of the thread, or are you just complaining that not everyone worships your messiah?

Again, your pleas would be meaningful had you been saying that for the prior 8 years as well ... instead, you completely lack credibility. At the very least perhaps you finally understand that you reap what you sow.
You know why your having a problem with my point is because you didn't see what I said. I said at 9-11 we all put the partisan crap aside because it was an emergency situation. Today is even more serious then 9-11. The ramifications of a global economic collapse would put the world in to a political crisis as well. Riats. Revolutions. Loose Nukes etc. This isn't about messiah worship. I have said several times that I didn't support all of Obamas plans. I have said that I am not happy with the lefts leadership in congress. But this stuff is not the point. The point is I believe the majority of our problems in finance is confidence. So if a story sounds a little positive and gives people hope whats the point in making a huge issue over wether Obama was perfectly accurate. So you can say "Ha you lied"? Was there any positive news from the chairman about what he hoped the stimulas will do? Do you care. Or is it more important to have one on Obama. And its with the whole right right now. They just signed on to giving 750 billion to wall street almost without a peep and with no oversight in the bill. But now they bitch because they all didn't get to read the bill. Don't you find that funny Michael?
Heres the thing. We have one POTUS. He got his package passed. OK now we have to see how it goes. Really what choice do we have? So you can sit on the sidelines rooting for failure and saying I told you so. Or you can hope it works and try to look for some positive results. Me I'm pulling for my country and my President
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You know why your having a problem with my point is because you didn't see what I said. I said at 9-11 we all put the partisan crap aside because it was an emergency situation. Today is even more serious then 9-11.
No, today's recession isn't a more serious situation than the ongoing war against islamic extremists. Just because Obama says the sky is falling doesn't mean we are all doomed. It's a freaking recession. They happen on a relatively regular basis.

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The point is I believe the majority of our problems in finance is confidence. So if a story sounds a little positive and gives people hope whats the point in making a huge issue over wether Obama was perfectly accurate. So you can say "Ha you lied"?
When politicians make statements that make them sound like crappy used car salesmen, it's certainly not my duty to ignore the lie. He's coming across as so desperate to sell me something that yes, I question the truth of what he's been saying. Turns out, we have very good reason to question his sales pitch.

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Was there any positive news from the chairman about what he hoped the stimulas will do? Do you care. Or is it more important to have one on Obama.
I really don't care what the chairman thinks the stimulus will eventually do, several years from now, because Obama gave the impression that the chairman said that the passage of the stimulus would cause the company to re-hire some of those just fired. That's the story and even the mainstream media understood that. You're the only paranoid bloke who thinks everything that doesn't praise Obama is the work of some vast right wing conspiracy network designed to make him look bad. Get back to reality and understand that not everyone just wants to stick their heads in the sand.

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They just signed on to giving 750 billion to wall street almost without a peep and with no oversight in the bill. But now they bitch because they all didn't get to read the bill. Don't you find that funny Michael?
Plenty of people were bitching and still are bitching about the Wall Street bailout. Aren't you upset about that too? Why do you think it's a good idea to do it all over again? This type of reasoning of yours ... don't you find that funny too?

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Heres the thing. We have one POTUS. He got his package passed. OK now we have to see how it goes. Really what choice do we have? So you can sit on the sidelines rooting for failure and saying I told you so. Or you can hope it works and try to look for some positive results. Me I'm pulling for my country and my President
I'm pulling for my country, my President, and my Congress to do the RIGHT thing. I happen to thing they just did plenty of the wrong thing. This isn't a sporting event and I'm not rooting like it is.

I want success and have every obligation in the world to point out when I don't agree with things and why. Your notion that perhaps you're just better off being a cheerleader isn't exactly something you were doing for oh, the previous eight years, now was it?
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No, today's recession isn't a more serious situation than the ongoing war against islamic extremists.
Yes it is. I just told you why and you didn't addresws it.
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Just because Obama says the sky is falling doesn't mean we are all doomed.
It isn't just Obama. Its the right as well.
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It's a freaking recession.  They happen on a relatively regular basis.
How much "Executive experience have you?
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When politicians make statements that make them sound like crappy used car salesmen, it's certainly not my duty to ignore the lie.  He's coming across as so desperate to sell me something that yes, I question the truth of what he's been saying.  Turns out, we have very good reason to question his sales pitch.
I don't see how you guys come up with the whole Obama is a big liar thing. But if it helps
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I really don't care what the chairman thinks the stimulus will eventually do, several years from now, because Obama gave the impression that the chairman said that the passage of the stimulus would cause the company to re-hire some of those just fired.  That's the story and even the mainstream media understood that.  You're the only paranoid bloke who thinks everything that doesn't praise Obama is the work of some vast right wing conspiracy network designed to make him look bad.  Get back to reality and understand that not everyone just wants to stick their heads in the sand.
Its not about heads in the sand. Its just that the point was in the end that the man said he hoped that the stimulus would allow him to rehire some of the people. The Obama people assumed he meant right away. Maybe they overexagerated it. Or maybe they misunderstood it. Either way I don't see why its. Again you don't give any credit to how important at a time like this that they try to build some confidence.
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Plenty of people were bitching and still are bitching about the Wall Street bailout.  Aren't you upset about that too?  Why do you think it's a good idea to do it all over again?  This type of reasoning of yours ... don't you find that funny too?
Honestly, Its over my pay grade. Some economists say the Bush administration averdid a compleat meltdown. So maybe it was some good. I don't know for sure. But my point was that the right went along with Bush when he said the sky was falling. Its apparently still falling.
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I'm pulling for my country, my President, and my Congress to do the RIGHT thing.  I happen to thing they just did plenty of the wrong thing.  This isn't a sporting event and I'm not rooting like it is.
I don't expect any rooting. I said that as long as this is the plan they came up with I would at least give it some time to see what happens. Thats all.
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I want success and have every obligation in the world to point out when I don't agree with things and why.  Your notion that perhaps you're just better off being a cheerleader isn't exactly something you were doing for oh, the previous eight years, now was it?
I supported Bush until he started getting obsessed with Iraq. Not until then did I start getting pissed off at Bush. He made one promise. To hunt down the people that did 9-11. He said he would rest. He lied. He stopped doing the one thing he is there to do. Protect and defend the United States of America.
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Update!...

Oops: Caterpillar lays off thousands after Porkulus passes

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Last month, Barack Obama challenged Congress to pass his stimulus package at a visit to the Caterpillar plant in East Peoria, Illinois, claiming that the company’s CEO assured him that it would allow Caterpillar to rehire laid-off workers. CEO Jim Owens disputed that, saying that the stimulus wouldn’t have enough effect, and that more layoffs would come regardless of whether Congress passed the bill. So who was right?

YouTube - Caterpillar CEO Directly Contradicts Obama Claim - 2/12/09

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Caterpillar Inc, the world’s largest maker of construction and mining equipment, notified an additional 2,454 workers in three states on Tuesday that they were losing their jobs as the company continues to try to bring production in line with plummeting demand.
And guess who got cut?

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The bulk of the job cuts — nearly 1,600 in all — will come in Illinois at the company’s plants in East Peoria, which makes track-type tractors and pipe layers, and Aurora, where it makes hydraulic excavators and wheel loaders.
After the visit, Rep. Adam Schock, who represents East Peoria, claimed that exactly zero of the workers at the Caterpillar plant responded to Obama’s call to communicate their support for Porkulus. They apparently had more sense than President Obama.
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