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But in Alaska, Palin is the envy of governors nationwide for the annual checks the state doles out to nearly every resident, representing their share of the revenues from the state's oil riches. She boosted those checks this year by raising taxes on oil.

McCain campaign spokesman Taylor Griffin said Thursday that spreading wealth through Obama's tax plan and doing it through Alaska's oil-profit distribution are not comparable because Alaska requires the state's resource wealth to be shared with residents, but it's not taxing personal income.

"It's how the revenue is shared between the oil companies and the state."

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In Alaska, residents pay no income tax or state sales tax. They receive a yearly dividend check from a $30 billion state investment account built largely from royalties on its oil. When home fuel and gas costs soared last year, Palin raised taxes on big oil and used some of the money to boost residents' checks by $1,200. Thus every eligible man, woman and child got a record $3,269 this fall.

She also suspended the 8-cent tax on gas.

"We can afford to share resource wealth with Alaskans and to temporarily suspend the state fuel tax," she said at the time.

Much as Obama explains his tax hike on the rich as a way to help people who are struggling, Palin's statement talked about the energy costs burdening Alaskans:

"While the unique fiscal circumstances the state finds itself in at the end of this fiscal year warrant a special one-time payment to share some of the state's wealth, the payment comes at a time when Alaskans are facing rising energy prices. High prices for oil are a double-edged sword for Alaskans. While public coffers fill, prices for heating fuel and gasoline have skyrocketed over the last six months and are now running into the $5- to $9-a-gallon range for heating fuel and gasoline across several areas of the state."

In an interview with The New Yorker last summer Palin explained that she would make demands of a new gas pipeline "to maximize benefits for Alaskans":

"And Alaska we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."
The Associated Press: Fact Check: Palin's Alaska spreads its wealth

But please...
Everybody? Let's just IGNORE John McCain's part in this "bailout" and how he helped to "socialize" the banks.
It's not the neo-con way to apply your own standards to yourself...

Let's just IGNORE Palin's own limited actions as governor and her direct statements.
It's "Obama's socialism" we should all be concerned about when he reverses the tax favoritism that Bush and other Republicans have set up for the upper crust.
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It's so easy to point fingers at that other fellow.
You betchya!
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Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless'

Sarah Palin endorser Bishop Thomas Muthee, in a speech he gave before blessing and anointing Sarah Palin as a political leader, on October 16, 2005 at the Wasilla Assembly of God, laid out the current agenda of the New Apostolic Reformation - how "God's kingdom" needed to "infiltrate" seven sectors of society. Muthee listed most of them: business and finance, schools and education, media and entertainment, politics and government.

Muthee also stated "The Bible says the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. Sarah Palin was in the audience. Minutes later, she was anointed, and blessed, with the laying on of hands.

Thomas Muthee is an internationally known celebrity in the New Apostolic Reformation and a personal friend of the movement's head, C. Peter Wagner. In June 2006 Wagner proclaimed that "God has declared through His prophets that the wealth of the wicked will be released to the Kingdom of God," and declared, threateningly, "the enemies' camp will be plundered."

The New Apostolic Reformation is not a small movement: an apostle of C. Peter Wagner, one of the 500 apostles in Wagner's International Coalition of Apostles, owns what will be one of the tallest buildings in the world, the Jakarta Tower. One of the NAR's branches is successfully supplanting the Catholic Church in Brazil. The movement holds international conferences on advancing Christian hegemony in the business sector [link to PDF].

At the end of this post I've added the nine minute video in which Thomas Muthee urges "infiltration" of key sectors of society and then blesses and anoints Sarah Palin as a political leader. In other videos I've also added, leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) describe and promote the same agenda for Christian theocratic takeover as did Muthee: the The Seven Mountains Mandate, in which seven key sectors of society are targeted for takeover.

Two top leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation, directors of "Spiritual Warfare" networks who hold other high level positions in the NAR are now definitively tied to Sarah Palin: at her entrance into politics at 24 and her emergence onto the national stage, as Alaska governor, in late 2006. There is considerable circumstantial evidence for the case that Sarah Palin is still in Mary Glazier's prayer warrior / spiritual warfare network.
A new 36 page report ( read online / PDF file / some of the highlights of the report ), from an independent research team that has specialized in studying Sarah Palin's faith, contains ground breaking information on a religious movement Sarah Palin is tied to and which advocates that its members "plunder" the wealth of the "godless".
Bruce Wilson: Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless'
Hey. If we modify Obama's plan from "redistributing the wealth" to "redistributing the wealth of the *godless* to the *godly*, will the Republicans agree?
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Hate to tell you but the Federal government DOES get BILLIONS of dollars from the oil companies in royalties and lease agreements but somehow THEY manage to SPEND ALL of it and NEVER give ANY of it to us the US citizens.

And by the way have you heard that the oil companies had record profits again......I'll bet it never occurred to you that they also paid RECORD TAXES.
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Hate to tell you but the Federal government DOES get BILLIONS of dollars from the oil companies in royalties and lease agreements but somehow THEY manage to SPEND ALL of it and NEVER give ANY of it to us the US citizens.
Yeah.
I already knew that.
The oil companies also get tax credits which save them billions...
Oil Company Tax Breaks - washingtonpost.com

Did you think your comment was relevant to the point of this thread, regarding what PALIN has said?
Or were you just trying to obfuscate the point...
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Yeah.
I already knew that.
The oil companies also get tax credits which save them billions...
Oil Company Tax Breaks - washingtonpost.com

Did you think your comment was relevant to the point of this thread, regarding what PALIN has said?
Or were you just trying to obfuscate the point...
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Yeah.
I already knew that.
The oil companies also get tax credits which save them billions...
Oil Company Tax Breaks - washingtonpost.com

Did you think your comment was relevant to the point of this thread, regarding what PALIN has said?
Or were you just trying to obfuscate the point...
Yes totally relevant that Alaska doesn't just SPEND all of it's oil profits it actually gives some of them to it's citizens and the rest of the country doesn't get ANY share of the federal government's revenue for OUR natural resource.

But then you guys just can't handle two thoughts in the same post.


We USED to be the "WORLD POWER" of oil but you liberals have attacked them for so long that we are way down the list now......Keep it up and you'll get what you want.......NO OIL.
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Yes totally relevant that Alaska doesn't just SPEND all of it's oil profits it actually gives some of them to it's citizens and the rest of the country doesn't get ANY share of the federal government's revenue for OUR natural resource.
How the hell can you reconcile what YOU JUST SAID with people calling Obama "socialist"?

HOW are Palin's actions okay and not socialism, while Obama's TAX plan is somehow "socialism"???


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We USED to be the "WORLD POWER" of oil but you liberals have attacked them for so long that we are way down the list now......Keep it up and you'll get what you want.......NO OIL.
In what regard were we ever a "world power" in oil?
By production? Name me the year.
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How the hell can you reconcile what YOU JUST SAID with people calling Obama "socialist"?

HOW are Palin's actions okay and not socialism, while Obama's TAX plan is somehow "socialism"???

Aw! Come on now!....Even a child could understand the difference between TAKING money from people that have worked for it and MAKING money from selling a product. But then I guess you just assume that the state should not actually "OWN" any land or the resources under it and on it? I guess it all started when we BOUGHT Alaska from Russia with TAXPAYER money.

In what regard were we ever a "world power" in oil?
By production? Name me the year.
Well lets start in about 1880 and CONTINUE ALL THE WAY into the LATE 1950's. Maybe even LONGER cause I didn't bother to actually look it up cause even a moron would know this to be true. WE have been the leaders in oil well technology almost throughout the 1900's.
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Aw! Come on now!....Even a child could understand the difference between TAKING money from people that have worked for it and MAKING money from selling a product. But then I guess you just assume that the state should not actually "OWN" any land or the resources under it and on it? I guess it all started when we BOUGHT Alaska from Russia with TAXPAYER money.
1) Taking money from people that have worked for it.
That's called "taxation"...

2) "MAKING money from selling a product"
And when the government takes money from "selling a product", that is also taxation...

3) It's not the issue of the state "owning" anything that is of interest.
It's how the state GIVES THAT MONEY TO THE CITIZENS...

Barack IS NOT EVEN GIVING money to the citizens. He is lowering taxes, but if you don't pay taxes in the first place, how much money do you get back when the "taxes" are "lowered"???
Palin is talking about GIVING money to the citizens.


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Well lets start in about 1880 and CONTINUE ALL THE WAY into the LATE 1950's. Maybe even LONGER cause I didn't bother to actually look it up cause even a moron would know this to be true. WE have been the leaders in oil well technology almost throughout the 1900's.
Interesting how you change from oil PRODUCTION to trying to casually insert the word "technology" in there...


I knew you wouldn't have the cajones to try to REALLY prove your case.
You rarely do...
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