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Last year, the Big Three auto makers and the United Auto Workers (UAW) union reached a historic labor agreement. In a move, fundamental to domestic automakers' competitiveness, the union reluctantly agreed to restructure workers' salaries and benefits and give Detroit a chance at erasing the $1,500 per-car labor-cost edge Japanese auto makers enjoy. This altered the state's political landscape in ways the Obama campaign has yet to understand.

Without the new labor contract, Detroit would have little hope of turning a profit on small cars as consumers shun gas-guzzling SUVs. And there would be no talk of $25 billion in federal loan guarantees to retool Detroit for the future because without the agreement there wouldn't be a future for Ford, Chrysler or General Motors.

This is the backdrop for the presidential campaign in Michigan. Ironically, the "change" candidate in the race, Barack Obama, fought the labor agreement.

"I stand with the 73,000 United Automobile Workers who are striking General Motors," Sen. Obama thundered when the UAW briefly struck GM to protest the agreement last fall. "The demands the union is fighting for -- job security, the health benefits they were promised -- are things that all workers should expect and that UAW members deserve."

Mr. Obama hasn't diverged from that script since. His campaign is built on class warfare (he blames greedy executives for mismanaging the auto industry) and protectionism (he blames foreigners for stealing American jobs). And he's been encouraged by polls over the past year that show him leading John McCain.

But now that people are starting to tune in, what's emerging in Michigan is a surprising amount of strength for the Republican ticket. The latest polls give Mr. Obama only a 1% to 2% lead. Cross Country - WSJ.com
The article goes on to say Palin has energized the ticket with her small town flavor, something many white and blue collar folks in this state can identify with.
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Hello from Michigan..


No doubt Palin has energized the ticket here in Michigan but there are a lot of pizzed off and laid off workers here who do not trust anyone on the GOP ticket.Not all blue collar workers are that gullible,they place the blame squarely on the GOP from 2000-2006. Some may take a chance on the McSame tickett but others refuse to be fooled again! I predict a close election in MI but the Obama/Biden ticket will prevail.
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No doubt Palin has energized the ticket here in Michigan but there are a lot of pizzed off and laid off workers here who do not trust anyone on the GOP ticket.Not all blue collar workers are that gullible,they place the blame squarely on the GOP from 2000-2006. Some may take a chance on the McSame tickett but others refuse to be fooled again! I predict a close election in MI but the Obama/Biden ticket will prevail.
Thanks. I was looking forward to your view of this.
BTW, How's your hammer hangin'? (Southern expression for "How's everything going?")
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Thanks. I was looking forward to your view of this.
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I thought it was a Viking expression and properly stated as 'How hangeth thou hammer?'

To which of course the only response is 'a little bit to the right'.

Anyhow, people in Michigan who want to blame the government for their woes shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Detroit, MI may be the only major city in the US who's level of corruption approaches that of Chicago.
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Detroit, MI may be the only major city in the US who's level of corruption approaches that of Chicago.
I'm not so sure...

I mean...Detroit hasn't had a mayor plead guilty in weeks!...
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There is corruption in a lot of places. It's still an important state in this election. Almost every state is this go round.
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Let me rephrase ...

People in Michigan should blame their government for part of their issues, but not really the people they sent to Washington.

They have voted in local politicians for so long that promised to save their union jobs while all along the rest of the world was no longer willing to pay a guy $40 an hour to push a button and watch a machine paint a car. I'm surprised there are any US automakers left there...
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Thanks. I was looking forward to your view of this.
BTW, How's your hammer hangin'? (Southern expression for "How's everything going?")
With both In-laws requiring care,one for AZ and the other for severe depression due to loosing his wife to AZ..life has been hectic!!! My wife and I have moved in with dad to care for him since his release from The Nest where Nurse Ratchett got all the meds wrong! We brought another Dr in on the project,he changed almost all of the meds and the improvement has been "dramatic"!

I'm still stuck on dial up for another week and that's why my posts have been short and my stay here on PW limited. We are still using a shared line so I can't stay on longer than a half hour at a time..

Thanks for asking,life have been traumatic for all of us but this too shall pass..
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Let me rephrase ...

People in Michigan should blame their government for part of their issues, but not really the people they sent to Washington.

They have voted in local politicians for so long that promised to save their union jobs while all along the rest of the world was no longer willing to pay a guy $40 an hour to push a button and watch a machine paint a car. I'm surprised there are any US automakers left there...
Exactly...we were once a powerhouse..a "donor" state! We contributed far more to "other" states than we brought in. The auto industry is like a giant ship with a tiny rudder,it takes forever for navigation to answer the helm.I have not voted for a Michigan "incumbent" for years regardless of party affiliation.
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