Obama Tried To Stall Gis' Iraq Withdrawal

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 02:14 AM

This is gonna be F*in' big...which means you probably won't hear it in the MSM...

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

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WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

What Obama did was in DIRECT INTERFERENCE OF A CURRENT EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATION...

It doesn't matter if you don't like it...It doesn't matter if you disagree with what Bush is negotiationg...It doesn't matter if you think Bush is Hitler...

The FACT of the matter is that Bush was elected to serve as chief executive until January 20, 2009...And NO ONE...Not a Senator...Not a community organizer...Not a presidential candidate...has the authority to negotiate with other countries independant of the executive branch of their own government!...If they are working on BEHALF of the administration; fine...If they are working WITH the administration; fine...

But deliberately undermining it?...

The McCain campaign's response has been low key until they get all of the details, but if this plays out the way it was reported, Obama's in a DEEP world of doo-doo...

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At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation.

I don't care who you want for president or what your political affiliations are...

If you think someone has the legal right to go up to another country and say "Don't listen to the democratically elected leader of my country; listen to me instead.", then you have a problem with the principles this country is founded on...

bhkad · #2 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 02:58 AM

He is deceptively sneaky.

It is one of his most distinguishing characteristics.

That's what has been behind his failure to be properly vetted.

Stealth.

Don't misunderestimate his skill at deception.

How do you think he has gotten this far with so many question marks surrounding his past?

Remember, astronomers were only able to confirm the existence of Black Holes by looking at the way light behaved around the hole. If you look at the hole itself you'd see nothing.

If you tell one person a secret and they have sufficient reason to keep it secret and sufficient smarts to understand the situation they are in, nothing will likely be seen or heard about this secret.

That's why Obama and unrepentant terrorist and small "c" Communist, William Ayers say nothing about their relationship other than what Obama has said about it, i.e. that it was very casual. Circumstances surrounding the relationship betray his characterization. But neither one of them is saying anything more.

That is the level of deception were talking about here, by a LAW PROFESSOR and ALINSKY INSTRUCTOR.

He is not who we think he is.

And if we observe this episode as a current and ongoing case study we may get some clues to how he thinks and how his manipulation works.

bhkad · #3 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

This is gonna be F*in' big...which means you probably won't hear it in the MSM...

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

What Obama did was in DIRECT INTERFERENCE OF A CURRENT EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATION...

It doesn't matter if you don't like it...It doesn't matter if you disagree with what Bush is negotiationg...It doesn't matter if you think Bush is Hitler...

The FACT of the matter is that Bush was elected to serve as chief executive until January 20, 2009...And NO ONE...Not a Senator...Not a community organizer...Not a presidential candidate...has the authority to negotiate with other countries independant of the executive branch of their own government!...If they are working on BEHALF of the administration; fine...If they are working WITH the administration; fine...

But deliberately undermining it?...

The McCain campaign's response has been low key until they get all of the details, but if this plays out the way it was reported, Obama's in a DEEP world of doo-doo...

I don't care who you want for president or what your political affiliations are...

If you think someone has the legal right to go up to another country and say "Don't listen to the democratically elected leader of my country; listen to me instead.", then you have a problem with the principles this country is founded on...

The NY Post is a MSM publication, isn't it?

bhkad · #4 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 08:09 PM

Did Obama just confirm Taheri? Update: Team McCain responds
posted at 9:02 am on September 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

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Glenn Reynolds takes a close look at Barack Obama’s response to Amir Taheri and doesn’t see any daylight between them. Yesterday, Taheri accused Obama of attempting to derail a status-of-forces agreement between the US and Iraq by telling the Iraqis to wait until after the American elections and stop negotiating with the Bush administration. Obama responded by essentially confirming Taheri’s account:

In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri.

“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open,” Zebari reportedly said. …

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Which is exactly what Taheri wrote. Barack Obama went to Iraq and interfered with the diplomatic efforts of the elected United States government, in a war zone no less, by telling the Iraqis to stop negotiating with the President. How exactly does that make Taheri’s column untruthful?

It wasn’t enough for Obama to fail at forcing the nation into a defeat in Iraq when he opposed the surge. Now he has interfered with our efforts to stabilize Iraq and provide for its security after the surge succeeded in keeping Iraq from falling into a failed state. And when he got caught working for failure and defeat, he tried making it into a smear against John McCain.

That’s not leadership America needs from a Senator, let alone a President. The Senate should investigate this as a gross violation of the Constitution and the separation of powers between the branches of government.

Update: Team McCain’s response so far, given by Randy Scheuneman:

“At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq’s Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama’s judgment and it demands an explanation.” —Randy Scheunemann, Senior Adviser McCain-Palin 2008

Hot Air Blog Archive Did Obama just confirm Taheri? Update: Team McCain responds

"In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said."

Obama's campaign just confirmed Taheri's charge!

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