..and most prevalent in the Left. Giving someone additional benefit becuase they are black is racist. There are far too many people who will be voting for Sen. Obama based on nothing more than the fact that they want to see a black man as POTUS. That's being racist.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

God is a conservative -

Ecclesiastes 10:2--"A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left."

You are making the assumption that we are giving ADDITIONAL benefit because of one's race. That's false. The individuals who are voting for Barack because he is part black or voting against Barack because he is part black is WRONG. You want to make this an issue about the left and right... It's not. It's an issue of individual perspective and motivation.

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Yeah...keep thinking that...

'Party trumps race' for Steele foes

And people wonder why black Republicans don't come out and publicly revealing their conservativeness?...

This is what happens when you do...

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"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd

Don't think that I don't know the "social consequences" of coming out... Let's just say I've had a little experience with it.

Homosexuals get just as much, if not more shit for joining the republican party than African Americans. There are several respected Republicans who are of African descent. J.C. Watts, Secretary Rice... How many RESPECTED Republicans are gay? Name me a couple?

Economically speaking, the Republican Party and Gay Men were meant for each other. Statistically speaking gay men make more on average than their straight counterparts. Statistically speaking gay men are major contributing factors to the economy.

But the Republican Party has a social agenda that is completely contradictory to where the gay populace needs to go. So too, many find, with the black populace. It is the social agenda of the Republican Party that causes those of us in the underrepresented groups to scratch our heads.

I know a couple of gay Republicans. They don't talk about their politics beyond the confines of their living room. They are members of the Republican Party DESPITE their social stances. They personally believe that the minute benefits they receive in terms of taxation relief makes up for the legal barriers to their relationship, the social acceptance of their lives, and guarantees they are protected by anti-discrimination legislation.

They have made a decision. I don't necessarily find it logical, but it's a decision none the less. I respect their right more than their party respects them.

The response to these men and men like Steele is not hate, it's a complete lack of understanding. It's a complete loss for words that make sense. It feels like a betrayal because in some small part, it is. This is the trouble with identity politics. This is the trouble when parties start legislating social issues. This is a method for the two party system to compartmentalize us and divide into easily handled groups.

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Nah, you'll just tell me what you think I'm thinkin.

Well, you have no idea what LBJ's welfare plans did to the Black family. It ripped it apart and stuck a wedge in it to keep it apart and it changed American society completely and not only to this very day, but for the foreseeable future.

And it changed it for the worse.

I agree there were good intentions behind the programs. But, the road to 'you-know-where' is lined with good intentions.

What was the original problem facing Black families back there in the 1960's? Due to racism and entrenched bigotry, Black men were unable to find good paying jobs and were unable to feed their families. And the federal welfare programs stepped up to feed those families. A good thing.

But it mandated that no able bodied male could live in the household. If any Black male over the age of 18 lived in the household that family was denied benefits.

So what happened?

Black men were forced from the family and that planted the seeds of chaos that have cost this country millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

The single parent family. The destigmatizing of unwed-pregnancy. Black men being made into sex machines without any other purpose in the Black culture for some. Boys growing up without a strong male role model see their value as being someone who makes babies. Abortion became necessary to get rid of the "mistaken pregnancies." When boys are 'taught' to value their potential as sex machines they never grab onto higher goals. They never bother to learn to read or think critically. And without positive male role models to demonstrate otherwise, the rites of manhood become tied to being able to "get over" on "the man."

Dealing drugs. Stealing, robbery, burglary. Armed violence. Pimping. And when they are caught, as they always are, they are sent to prison, which becomes a 'finishing school' or grad school of crime and they are forced to survive inside by joining a gang. And when they emerge they hang onto their gang identifications, friends, foes, modes of dress. And they become more formidable criminals. And they become role models for the next generation of young Black males and their view of life inspires their art. And we have gangsta rap artists selling billions of dollars worth of recordings and popularizing a harder, cruder, more violent lifestyle among our non-urbanized youth. And violent deaths and infirmity that stem from increased drug traffic and other crimes result.

And when voters look for a way to solve these problems they authorize increased spending for more cops, prisons and medical costs, requiring taxpayers fork over more money. And generations of welfare families continue producing new young men and women with a skewed vision of the American Dream. A vision that sees the GOVERNMENT as father. A big Daddy who is always there and never fails to provide just as long as we do our part by keeping males out of the household.

And these people, these families are primarily poor Whites and Blacks who will vote to maintain life as THEY know it. And they recognize the only political party which will perpetuate and maintain and increase this dysfunctional culture are the Democrats.

The Dems are using our money to increase their voter rolls. And they are paying these people out of a sense of charity, out of a sense of elitism, but also a sense that they can BUY their patronage.

Blacks collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when we only make up 12 percent of the general population. So, it should be no surprise that Blacks are Democratic voters.

All of this because of LBJ's policies.

And now Obama wants to compound the problem.

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But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America. http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell060508.php3

No.
Are you asking because you have no clue as to why black people don't like the Republican party?
Or is it because you are trying to lay a thinly veiled insult towards blacks.


Try to stick to the topic for once?
It is increasingly obvious that when you can't address the real issue, you insult and attempt to change the subject matter.

1) Affirmative action has a real and distinct purpose.
It IS valid. To pretend that such inequalities should be ignored if to ignore the consequences of the past.
We can talk about it if you want.

2) Affirmative action DOES have a shelf-life.

3) There are also far too many people who will be voting against Sen Obama based on nothing more than the fact that they don't want to see a black man as POTUS.
That's also being racist.

4) The whole "racist" accusation towards affirmative action is ridiculous.
The justification for affirmative action has nothing to do with preferring one race over another. It's not about hating whitey. It's not about liking the black man more.

Guess again, Sparky.

Then you should feel encouraged when I become insulting, huh?

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But, when all is said and done, Senator McCain has not spent decades aiding and abetting people who hate America. http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell060508.php3

Actually, it has become rather apparent that it is the latter option.
A thinly veiled insult towards blacks...

If you are black, it's rather bizarre that you have such a low opinion of other blacks.
Does your whole family vote Republican?
If not, how do you talk to those who vote Democrat?


More bored and bemused.

And you think it was just Black families that that happened to???

What was the alternative? If a better plan could have been gotten, I wish someone would have thunk it up and shared it with the rest of us!

When there is such inequality, the pendulum will swing. Right/Left/Right/Left.

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