In a More Diverse America, A Mostly White Convention - Page 2

saltwn · #11 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

I'm Black and I know what we do and I see what you do.

Hypocrite. Ignorant asshole. Bullshitter.

A proud, strong race of people have been played upon by manipulative Whites for far too long. The key to independence is to eschew handouts and entitlements and to instead exert one's own intelligence and strength of character and will and use the freedoms provided by this great country to make one's own life. Make one's own way.

Why do we vote Democratic? Because they give stuff away and some think it would be foolish to NOT take it.

You don't understand how important it is that the Republicans stand strong by their principles of self reliance.

Otherwise there would be little reason not to believe that jumping on the gravy train isn't the best thing to do.

Blacks would ALL sign up for entitlement programs and then 50% of Americans would have to work to support the other 50% who chose not to.

Did you even read this?

Anyone who works has to resent Obama's plans.

Thank you , Booker T.

bhkad · #12 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

There were a lot of other factors that caused the 12th street riot going back even to the 1940's, but here was one of the main culprits:

It appals me that you would try to blame policies that were aimed at relieving so much suffering. And Johnson's policies did indeed relieve suffering.

Be appalled at what these well meaning, but crude, policies did to the Black family.

And then ask me what those policies did to the Black family.

dabateman · #13 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

I'm Black and I know what we do and I see what you do.

Hypocrite. Ignorant asshole. Bullshitter.

A proud, strong race of people have been played upon by manipulative Whites for far too long. The key to independence is to eschew handouts and entitlements and to instead exert one's own intelligence and strength of character and will and use the freedoms provided by this great country to make one's own life. Make one's own way.

Why do we vote Democratic? Because they give stuff away and some think it would be foolish to NOT take it.

You don't understand how important it is that the Republicans stand strong by their principles of self reliance.

Otherwise there would be little reason not to believe that jumping on the gravy train isn't the best thing to do.

Blacks would ALL sign up for entitlement programs and then 50% of Americans would have to work to support the other 50% who chose not to.

Did you even read this?

Anyone who works has to resent Obama's plans.

You should be ashamed. You are still playing this race card and now by claiming that because you are black you cannot be racist on this issue. BULLSHIT. I call bullshit.

1. The argument that you are making is that white people are smarter and black people are less so because you say that the black people weren't smart enough to refuse assistance and white people were so smart to get em hooked on assistance early.

2. You are basically making the claim that assistance is a drug and that the African-American populace has become dependent upon that assistance and are not able or not willing to help themselves.

You go back to blaming this on race instead of individual choice. Fine. It shows your ignorance. You blame this on individuals who worked diligently to create opportunity for those who were institutionally less fortunate. Fine. It shows your ignorance.

It can't be due to the failed economic policies of the Republican party that has created a greater disparity of wealth, fewer good paying jobs in the US, unfunded education mandates, and predatory lending practices? It has to be big bad whitey and poor uneducated blackman... It's just not the case. Not any longer. Not where I'm from, and not where I'm going.

Unfortunate situations should no longer have race as a determining factor and continuing to use race as a determining factor is limiting progress for all Americans.

bhkad · #14 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Thank you , Booker T.

It would be a form of voluntary capitulation to an all-powerful Government which redistributes the fruits of all the people's labor so that all are made to live equally.

Equally miserably.

Communism.

saltwn · #15 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

Be appalled at what these well meaning, but crude, policies did to the Black family.

And then ask me what those policies did to the Black family.

I think you are confusing Johnson with Regan.

You cannot tell me Blacks were not better off after the programs of the great society. And a lot of poor whites as well.
We idolize JFK, but it was LBJ who strong armed civil rights legislation through.
And if he could help some more poor folks a long the way he did it.
Before Johnson, I saw many of my classmates fall asleep every day in school. Turns out they didn't have any breakfast and wouldn't have any lunch. There were two free lunches available to the kids who carried the crates of milk up to the lunch room. And sometimes first or second graders would get into fights on the play ground to see who would get that job.
Before Lyndon Johnson, do you know what happened to people who had cancer or black lung or diabetes and disn't have insurance?
They died.
I'll admit many of the original ideas Kennedy and Johnson had concerning food and welfare (Food Stamps is one), got watered down with beuracracy and bull. And that many people took advantage of programs meant for the disadvantaged (Regan reminded us of that and coined the term welfare queen and made us all think we would be better off voting Republican);
nevertheless, these programs saved lives and dignity for many people. What we have now I would like to get rid of all together, but I don't want to ever go back to kids not getting enough to eat-not in this country.

bhkad · #16 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

You should be ashamed. You are still playing this race card and now by claiming that because you are black you cannot be racist on this issue. BULLSHIT. I call bullshit.

1. The argument that you are making is that white people are smarter and black people are less so because you say that the black people weren't smart enough to refuse assistance and white people were so smart to get em hooked on assistance early.

2. You are basically making the claim that assistance is a drug and that the African-American populace has become dependent upon that assistance and are not able or not willing to help themselves.

You go back to blaming this on race instead of individual choice. Fine. It shows your ignorance. You blame this on individuals who worked diligently to create opportunity for those who were institutionally less fortunate. Fine. It shows your ignorance.

It can't be due to the failed economic policies of the Republican party that has created a greater disparity of wealth, fewer good paying jobs in the US, unfunded education mandates, and predatory lending practices? It has to be big bad whitey and poor uneducated blackman... It's just not the case. Not any longer. Not where I'm from, and not where I'm going.

Unfortunate situations should no longer have race as a determining factor and continuing to use race as a determining factor is limiting progress for all Americans.

Boy, I do not intend to teach you what you obviously need to learn about this.

Get yourself educated using Google and if you show you can speak from an informed position I will discuss this with you. Otherwise, find someone who suffers fools.

Cause, it ain't me, babe.

saltwn · #17 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

I'm Black and I know what we do and I see what you do.

Hypocrite. Ignorant asshole. Bullshitter.

A proud, strong race of people have been played upon by manipulative Whites for far too long. The key to independence is to eschew handouts and entitlements and to instead exert one's own intelligence and strength of character and will and use the freedoms provided by this great country to make one's own life. Make one's own way.

Why do we vote Democratic? Because they give stuff away and some think it would be foolish to NOT take it.

You don't understand how important it is that the Republicans stand strong by their principles of self reliance.

Otherwise there would be little reason not to believe that jumping on the gravy train isn't the best thing to do.

Blacks would ALL sign up for entitlement programs and then 50% of Americans would have to work to support the other 50% who chose not to.

Did you even read this?

Anyone who works has to resent Obama's plans.

Read this:

Quote:

According to the Tax Policy Center, neither Obama nor McCain has laid out plans to close the budget deficit over the next 10 years under current spending regimes. Not counting health proposals, the McCain plan would collect about 17.9% of GDP through taxes. The Obama plan would collect about 18.4%. For comparison, congressional accountants predict that, under current law, the Federal Government is projected to spend about 19.7% of GDP in the same time period, meaning both McCain and Obama would run deficits — 1.8% and 1.3% of GDP, respectively — without significant cuts in federal spending or surprising growth in the economy.

In general, Obama has proposed more new spending programs than McCain, but even here the details get tricky. McCain, for example, has a new risk pool, which would help provide health insurance to those with pre-existing conditions, and he wants to continue to grow the size of the Army and Marines. Obama has a big new green-energy fund, a plan for national service and the promise of more money for education. The green-energy fund would be paid for, Obama says, by selling energy producers permits for producing greenhouse gases.

The Candidates' Tax Plans: Fuzzy Math - TIME

And this:
McCain v. Obama on the Economy: Who Will Be Better for Your Personal Finances? Taxes Edition | Personal Finance Corner

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Take a look at your financial situation. If you are out of the middle class, John McCain's ideas on taxes will probably benefit you the most. If you are middle class, making between $40,000 and $250,000 a year (that's a wide middle class, I know), Barack Obama's ideas on taxes would probably be of most benefit to you.

Last but not least Market Watch-

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"The different elements of the program raise some very serious concerns," Aaron said, adding that the combination of McCain's plans "create a fearsome squeeze within the budget that could only be dealt with by significant cuts in Medicare and Social Security."
McCain's proposed extensions of the tax cuts set him apart from his rival, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, Aaron said. "The bottom 80% of the income distribution does better under the Obama program than the McCain program." McCain's economic plan aims for tax changes - MarketWatch

bhkad · #18 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I think you are confusing Johnson with Regan.

You cannot tell me Blacks were not better off after the programs of the great society. And a lot of poor whites as well.
We idolize JFK, but it was LBJ who strong armed civil rights legislation through.
And i he could help some more poor folks a long the way he did it.
Before Johnson, I saw many of my classmates fall asleep every day in school. Turns out theu didn't have any breakfast and wouldn't have any lunch. There were two free lunches available to the kids who carried the crates of milk up to the lunch room. And sometimes first or second graders would get into fights on the play ground to see who would get that job.
Before Lyndon Johnson, do you know what happened to people who had cancer or black lung or diabetes and disn't have insurance/
They died.
I'll admit many of the original ideas Kennedy and Johnson had concerning food and welfare (Food Stamps is one), got watered down with beuracracy and bull. And that many people took advantage of programs meant for the disadvantaged (Regan reminded us of that and coined the term welfare queen and made us all think we would be better off voting Republican);
nevertheless, these programs saved lives and dignity for many people. What we have now I would like to get rid of all together, but I don't want to ever go back to kids not getting enough to eat-not in this country.

"And then ask me what those policies did to the Black family."

saltwn · #19 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

"And then ask me what those policies did to the Black family."

I repeat:
I think you are confusing Johnson with Regan.

dabateman · #20 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhkad

Boy, I do not intend to teach you what you obviously need to learn about this.

Get yourself educated using Google and if you show you can speak from an informed position I will discuss this with you. Otherwise, find someone who suffers fools.

Cause, it ain't me, babe.

It appears I'm not the one needing schooled... If you think that all answers can be found through Google, that explains a great deal...

Perhaps it's me that's been suffering a fool...

And don't ever refer to me as Babe... I have better taste.

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