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Old 09-03-2008, 04:37 PM
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TUTORIAL: Some people think before speaking. Where most liberals emotionally react to a thing before knowing anything about it, many (most?) Conservatives think first.
Maybe you are projecting your own tendency to knee-jerk impulsivity.

My "gut" reaction was to get more information.
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Sen. Obama has confromed to the DNC party line 100%. The only change you would see is that of the party of the President. No real changes in policy, procedures or progress, just more of the same old DNC party politics.
Do you understand exactly WHAT Obama is talking about CHANGING FROM when he talks about introducing a "change"?

Cause your reply seems to imply that you think he is talking about a "change" from Democrat policy...
(And I'm ignoring your personal connotations regarding "same old DNC party politics"...)

Moreover, he has some serious issues of change he is instituting.
Why do you think he has people like Jesse Jackson talking about cutting off his nuts?
Do you think he is making that comment because Obama is just "same old DNC party politics"???


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Sen. Obama has had ample opportunity to take reformist steps, yet had done nothing. Why should we believe that the change he spews about is anything more than just a change from R to D? Different cats, same litter box.
I'm sorry, but have you MET the "ol' cat" that was in the litter box and seen how he left it?
Oh yeah. Sorry. You like the litter box like that.

Bush is VERY unpopular.
McCain is promising to be more of the same.

One of the things that Republicans (the party) is having difficulty with is how to embrace the zealotry that Bush catered to, while not alienating the Republicans (the individuals) who have SERIOUS problems with Bush's presidency.
The polls show that even amongst Republicans, Bush's popularity is low.


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The American people are tired of DC politics - from BOTH sides.
You keep talking about different aspects of "politics" while ignoring reality.
You talk about "Republican v Democrat" politics, as in political POSITIONS on the issues.
And then here, you quickly shift gears to "DC politics", ignoring the changes Obama has.

Try to stick to one topic and we can discuss this.
Cause if all you want to do is play fast and loose with what we are REALLY talking about, it's going to involve a lot of time pointing out how you are trying to pull a bait-and-switch.


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Show me what steps the Jr. Senator from Illinois has proposed to address corruption within his own party (being from one of the most corrupt cities in America [Chicago], he's had lots of chances to address corruption). Show me real change that goes beyond the party line.
It's like you're standing on top of a dung heap (considering your defense of the Bush administration and the mounds of "corruption" it has embraced), asking others to clean up their shit.
You talk about "addressing corruption within his own party", but I fail to see any real idea on what you think a leader should do...

Should he be like Bush and pardon the guy found obstructing justice and lying to the legal process?
Should he be like Bush and complicitly ignore the problem when there are illegal hiring practices in the DoJ?

What model do you want him to follow?
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Old 09-03-2008, 04:52 PM
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Maybe you are projecting your own tendency to knee-jerk impulsivity.

My "gut" reaction was to get more information.
There you go. I win.
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There you go. I win.
How so?
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Old 09-03-2008, 05:24 PM
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How so?
You are unable to tell me what is or isn't liberal Legislation. The reason you won't answer is because you realize that it isn't possible. So you duck the issue. Your party has past trillions of dollars in unfunded legislation. Yet you guys claim to be the conservative fiscally responsible party.
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Let me try this one one more time. If you are voting for spending bills without paying for them is that Liberal or Conservative? I am just trying to show you that perspective is everything. So which is it?
Neither, it's professional politicians. One of the key issues for me any more is the candidate's support of term limits. In fact, I'd love to see not only congress limited to two terms, but all Federal judges limited to two four year terms. Take away the motivatiing factor of keeping the cash flowing to keep getting re-elected and you lose a lot of the motivation for pork projects.
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Neither, it's professional politicians. One of the key issues for me any more is the candidate's support of term limits. In fact, I'd love to see not only congress limited to two terms, but all Federal judges limited to two four year terms. Take away the motivatiing factor of keeping the cash flowing to keep getting re-elected and you lose a lot of the motivation for pork projects.
I agree with your analysis, but term-limits violate the fundamentals of democracy. The people should be able to vote for whom they choose. I would likely kill myself if we had another term of Bush, but I believe that the people should have the right to re-elect him if they so choose.
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Do you understand exactly WHAT Obama is talking about CHANGING FROM when he talks about introducing a "change"?
Obama is just more of the same thing we've seen from the left. Nothing new, nothing different, just more of the Democratic Party line. The American people are fed up with business as usual and all that I've heard from Sen. Obama is more of the same, just with a Democrat in charge. We will see no improvement, just a different way of screwing things up. Everyone on the left is focused only on change from Republican leadership to Democratic leadership. But the Dems. are every bit as bad as the Reps. are in so many ways that it's pathetic. We don't want more of the same party politics, the same "Good ol' Boys" network running things, we want things to get better, not just different. What Sen. Obama promises is only different, NOT BETTER.
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I agree with your analysis, but term-limits violate the fundamentals of democracy. The people should be able to vote for whom they choose. I would likely kill myself if we had another term of Bush, but I believe that the people should have the right to re-elect him if they so choose.
First of all, we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Secondly, when you abuse a right, you lose the right. When you fail to act responsibly, you pay the price. IMO, the American people have acted irresponsibly in electing thier representatives and as a result, we have the crappiest Congress in history. There comes a point where you have to say "enough is enough" and force the bums out for the greater good. I'm all in favor of people being free to elect their representatives, but when that freedom means that this nation is being harmed, it's time to apply a little disciplinary action. Maybe a short-term Constitutional Amendment - say 16 years to give the people a taste of what it's like to have people in Congress who truly look out for thier best interests and aren't so focused on getting re-elected that it screws up thier ability to truly represent the best interests of the people who elected them.
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Obama is just more of the same thing we've seen from the left. Nothing new, nothing different, just more of the Democratic Party line. The American people are fed up with business as usual and all that I've heard from Sen. Obama is more of the same, just with a Democrat in charge. We will see no improvement, just a different way of screwing things up. Everyone on the left is focused only on change from Republican leadership to Democratic leadership. But the Dems. are every bit as bad as the Reps. are in so many ways that it's pathetic. We don't want more of the same party politics, the same "Good ol' Boys" network running things, we want things to get better, not just different. What Sen. Obama promises is only different, NOT BETTER.
If Obama turns out to be more of the same then you guys will have the government for years. I'll take that chance. Besides You guys just had a turn and screwed the pooch. You don't get do overs. How many chances do you think you should get?
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