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Old 09-02-2008, 03:34 AM
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the question isn't the vetting...

The question is "Will the negatives of one candidate outweigh the negatives of another?"...

If he picked Huck, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack the evangelical aspect...

If he picked Mitt, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack the Mormon aspect...

If he picked Pawlenty, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack his lack of national recognition (Much like Palin now)...

If he picked Leiberman, the "vetting process" would be questioned because...well you know all sides would have a field day with that one...

AND of course, if McCain picked ANY one of them, the Left would grab the bullhorns and cry "RICH-WHITE-GUY-ESTABLISHMENT-OLD-BOY'S-NETWORK-SAME-OLD-SAME-OLD!!!!"...

So I contend that you would "question the vetting process" NOMATTER WHO was picked...

Here's your chance to prove me wrong...name a candidate that McCain could've picked that wouldn't be attacked on any issue...thus proving the "vetting process" was successful and correct...
Jindal seemed pretty reasonable both in terms of vetting and in terms of politics... But I see your point. The question isn't liberals questioning the vetting process, it's conservatives. I honestly believe that the vetting process was questionable, but that's because she's nominated and in less than a week we're hearing about scandals...
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Jindal seemed pretty reasonable both in terms of vetting and in terms of politics... But I see your point. The question isn't liberals questioning the vetting process, it's conservatives. I honestly believe that the vetting process was questionable, but that's because she's nominated and in less than a week we're hearing about scandals...
OK...we'll ask again...

Name a candidate where SOMETHING wouldn't have come up within a week...

It is ALL ABOUT how the Liberals would respond...Do you honestly think the Liberal masses would look at a McCain VP and say "Good choice!...I see no issues!"...

The object is to pick someone with the LEAST amount of issues and one whose STRENGTHS outweigh them...

BTW - Jindal...creationist...believes intelligent design should be taught with evolution in classes...Think the media wouldn't turn that into a "Oh my God he's 75 times worse than Spitzer!" in a week?...
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OK...we'll ask again...

Name a candidate where SOMETHING wouldn't have come up within a week...
Like I said... I can't think of anything on Jindal. And I don't have a problem with Lieberman, Romney, or even Ridge. But there can be arguments made for any candidate. The difference is scandal. I don't see any with Jindal, Lieberman, or Ridge...
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Like I said... I can't think of anything on Jindal. And I don't have a problem with Lieberman, Romney, or even Ridge. But there can be arguments made for any candidate. The difference is scandal. I don't see any with Jindal, Lieberman, or Ridge...
It doesn't have to be about a scandal...It has to do with NEGATIVES...Scandals are included in negatives, but not all negatives are scandals...

I pointed Jindal's out when I edited my previous post...

Leiberman is obvious...two years ago he was a Democrat...last year he was an independant...This year he's a Republican...he can pick an ideology and hold it...

Ridge?...he's the original head of Homeland Security that proposed the color-coordinated warning system that the Left loves to laugh at...

All 3...No scandals mentioned...all have negatives attached that would be exploited to the overall detriment of the ticket...

Look at Palin herself?...Are you seriously calling her daughter's child "a scandal?"...

Wow...a 17 year-old-girl got pregnant...don't think that ever happens whether or not the parents instill 3% of moral values or 99% of moral values?...
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It doesn't have to be about a scandal...It has to do with NEGATIVES...Scandals are included in negatives, but not all negatives are scandals...

I pointed Jindal's out when I edited my previous post...

Leiberman is obvious...two years ago he was a Democrat...last year he was an independant...This year he's a Republican...he can pick an ideology and hold it...

Ridge?...he's the original head of Homeland Security that proposed the color-coordinated warning system that the Left loves to laugh at...

All 3...No scandals mentioned...all have negatives attached that would be exploited to the overall detriment of the ticket...

Look at Palin herself?...Are you seriously calling her daughter's child "a scandal?"...

Wow...a 17 year-old-girl got pregnant...don't think that ever happens whether or not the parents instill 3% of moral values or 99% of moral values?...
Well anyone has negatives... on both sides... You aren't making an original argument. Not all of them had scandal attached. Palin has the issues going on in Alaska about her dismissal of an official. In addition, the daughter thing is a scandal regardless of your or my personal feelings about it. Right or wrong it has become a political scandal.
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Well anyone has negatives... on both sides... You aren't making an original argument. Not all of them had scandal attached. Palin has the issues going on in Alaska about her dismissal of an official. In addition, the daughter thing is a scandal regardless of your or my personal feelings about it. Right or wrong it has become a political scandal.
But Spencer blamed the vetting process...

Which brings me back to the original question...

Would the eventual pick be BETTER had the vetting process been different?...and more importantly, how the heck would we know since we're not part of the process in the first place?...

For all we know, McCain could've found out Mitt had 3 wives, Huck's sister is a hooker at the Bunny Ranch, and Pawlenty's has a "KKK" tattoo on his ass...

In other words, Palins negatives and scandals could've been the LEAST of the candidates vetted...We'll simply never know...To question a process in which no one knows how it was done isn't very convincing...

As a comparison, look at the other side of the aisle...

Obama picked a guy who was caught plagerizing in both school AND in campaign speeches...He's also on record making racist statements...According to the same logic, why would Obama pick someone like that?...

Of course, the answer is the very same one I deduce from MCain's pick of Palin...The presidential nominees KNEW of negatives, but believe the positives outweigh them...
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But Spencer blamed the vetting process...

Which brings me back to the original question...

Would the eventual pick be BETTER had the vetting process been different?...and more importantly, how the heck would we know since we're not part of the process in the first place?...

For all we know, McCain could've found out Mitt had 3 wives, Huck's sister is a hooker at the Bunny Ranch, and Pawlenty's has a "KKK" tattoo on his ass...

In other words, Palins negatives and scandals could've been the LEAST of the candidates vetted...We'll simply never know...To question a process in which no one knows how it was done isn't very convincing...
It's possible that those things are true, but highly unlikely... It's more statistically probable that a "safe" candidate like Romney or Pawlenty wouldn't have had a scandal coming out of the box week one. By playing the odds, we can assume that vetting process is flawed.
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the question isn't the vetting...

The question is "Will the negatives of one candidate outweigh the negatives of another?"...

If he picked Huck, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack the evangelical aspect...

If he picked Mitt, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack the Mormon aspect...

If he picked Pawlenty, the "vetting process" would be questioned because many will attack his lack of national recognition (Much like Palin now)...

If he picked Leiberman, the "vetting process" would be questioned because...well you know all sides would have a field day with that one...

AND of course, if McCain picked ANY one of them, the Left would grab the bullhorns and cry "RICH-WHITE-GUY-ESTABLISHMENT-OLD-BOY'S-NETWORK-SAME-OLD-SAME-OLD!!!!"...

So I contend that you would "question the vetting process" NOMATTER WHO was picked...

Here's your chance to prove me wrong...name a candidate that McCain could've picked that wouldn't be attacked on any issue...thus proving the "vetting process" was successful and correct...
There are political attacks and then there are reasonable questions. I have posted a couple of times the huge gap between her education and background and Baracks but you refuse to acknowledge it. I can't keep arguing this forever. The whole country is asking why her. Its not just those who don't support her.
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Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father, a senior aide to Sen. John McCain confirmed to CNN, Monday. Republican presidential candidate McCain was aware of Bristol Palin's pregnancy before he chose her mother for his running mate, the aide said.
Shite happens if you eat regularly (or if you party naked! )
This will only prove to endear her to many redneck moms who've tried to raise their kids right and one of them got on drugs anyway or was promiscuous.
In fact she's looking more like your average Joe than...well Joe.
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